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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 18:06
racism and ignorance know no borders....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 18:12
^ No doubt, check our newb's post in the Shooting in Munich thread (which I now see you have)
.  It's so easy to fear others, almost makes me laugh.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 18:17
I think we've seen this cat before... I don't suppose there are too many politically unhinged right wing Canadian trolls that like to frequent PA's for the hell of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 18:18
 LOL   no I suppose not -
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 18:22
Considering its meant to be the home of the brave there's a hell of a lot of scaredy cats.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 18:56
How is Trump racist?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 19:05
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

How is Trump racist?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 19:09
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

How is Trump racist?

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Hillary equates people of Latin American origin to taco bowls k
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 19:58
Funny, both Trump and Clinton are dishonest and yet Trump is more honest about his dishonesty.   He could win with that act;  I'm rather concerned.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 23:17
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh I'd have no doubt that speed of the leftward shift of the party has completely taken everyone by surprise...

most of those driving it were not even able to vote when Obama was elected for heaven's sake. LOL The liberal wing of the Party then only consisted a few radiicals...California flakes and flower children that never grew up. 

As you noted earlier.. this grew from the grassroots... on college campuses and the internet...and it grew completely under the radar to its depth and passion. 



Eh...IDK, Bernie did well with the voters under 45, like had a slight lead in that regard (and makes sense to me, people under 45 have kids that will be going to college, or have been working for a while and have seen their standard of living declining) but yes the under 30 bloc and especially the early 20s have had a fire lighted under their ass. I guess I just object to the speed thing since I've seen this slowly building since 2006 and a lot of what Sanders says reminds me of Obama 08,  but I get what you mean. 

Being in that bloc (though I'm now pushing closer to 30) I can say lots of people I know are kinda bipolar politicallyLOL They alternate between Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul. On a day to day basis sometimes people sound like 19th century capitalists, the next rabid socialists, and views are all over the place. I think many young people are confused and alienated. Libertarianism is an idea that's inherently popular with many of us, so is (now) Social Democracy. Like I say, Dems would be wise to capitalize on this and fast. As you say they were caught off guard by the speed, but they better get a hand on the train and slow it down to pull it in or maybe a future Republican Party can lure it in with libertarianism. 

And I will say, the progressive wing has always been around. The number has not been insignificant either and the Congressional Progressive Caucus currently has 68 members (out of 435) in the house, and while the only official one in the Senate is Sanders, 4 other Senators were former members. Unless you mean waaaaay back in the day, but I generally think of the Democratic Party as being liberal/labor focused until pretty much the late 80s. Unless you mean socially but like I said, I can accept differences in social issues many of which grow from the state level anyway. Though I do applaud people like Sanders and the CPC who have always stood by gay rights for example, even when it was politically unacceptable. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 23:26
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

something interesting to chew on.... we were just talking about this last week at my office where 3 of us are Gulf War vets who have our own experiences with PTSD and reintegrating and with close eyes on gun violence and radicalization and the politics of it all....

Here is your government in action ... I'm not sure what was worse... having your patriotism questioned as a vet for not supporting the 2nd Gulf War or being seen as some sort of half assed hero in which the mere thought of doing anything bad become radioactive political fodder...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/gop-veteran-radicalization-dhs-dallas-baton-rouge-214089

Yeah, it's very sad. I can't vouch, thankfully, but I've heard the idea of PTSD and things like that are though of as Vietnam stuff, and that so many vets who may have issues from the Gulf War (or Iraq 2) Afghanistan don't get the help they may need. Our woeful mental health system is no help and yup, we have the GOP the party of the military and our troops who seem to quietly cut help to them in various ways. It's sad times.

Very interesting article, perhaps it is indeed a boiling over of those issues mentioned...

Also I totally forgot about that 2009 report...the one predicting a rise in domestic right wing terrorism, and while I can understand the backlash/anger, sad to say they were right. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 23:37
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Funny, both Trump and Clinton are dishonest and yet Trump is more honest about his dishonesty.   He could win with that act;  I'm rather concerned.

Sadly true, people are yearning for honesty, "realness", sincerity.
Trump is absolutely none of that BUT you have a point he is so OTT and blatant and doesn't even pretend...it's almost like is honest about his dishonesty. Clinton and co always have legally tight lines, stories, ways to technically be right and it's a major turn off to people. Given two dishonest choices, many do seem willing to pick the one who at least doesn't hide from it. 

And since half of Trump's campaign is simply a protest against being "PC" and stuff like that, it is indeed a very hot selling point. I'd be lying if I said it didn't happen on the other side. People that I'm quite sure are not really feeling the Bern, liked him because he was "badass" and "that crazy Uncle that's right" and his honesty/freshness/up front nature. People find it refreshing (and ya know he was at least fairly honest, sincere and doesn't employ racism)LOL
 





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2016 at 04:08
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Funny, both Trump and Clinton are dishonest and yet Trump is more honest about his dishonesty.   He could win with that act;  I'm rather concerned.
Brevit came about due to British citizens under 24 years old not voting. I foresee the same for the US with Hilary V Trump in 2016 along with others siting out. As I've said before, be afraid, be very afraid.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2016 at 04:09
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How is Trump racist?
How is the KKK racist?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2016 at 04:21
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I am a socialist yes. It hasn't got anything to do with finding a leader though.
Failed political systems are better off without one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2016 at 04:35
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

How is Trump racist?
How is the KKK racist?
How is Trump the KKK?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2016 at 04:38
Just saw Trump interviewed by Chuck Todd.  He came off well, a smart guy.  He really could win.  It's not funny anymore.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2016 at 05:11
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Just saw Trump interviewed by Chuck Todd.  He came off well, a smart guy.  He really could win.  It's not funny anymore.

No, David, it's not. Even Michael Moore is convinced that he will win!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2016 at 05:14
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

How is Trump racist?
How is the KKK racist?
How is Trump the KKK?
He backs them by sharing most of the same values, and by not condemning former KKK leader David Duke. He recently said that he didn't even know who the man was! And he said in the past that he condemned his views and affiliations. Lies, lies, lies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2016 at 05:21
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

How is Trump racist?
How is the KKK racist?
How is Trump the KKK?
He backs them by sharing most of the same values, and by not condemning former KKK leader David Duke. He recently said that he didn't even know who the man was! And he said in the past that he condemned his views and affiliations. Lies, lies, lies.
Even though that's already a contradiction, could you perhaps provide some white supremacist quotes from Trump to back up your first claim?
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