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JJLehto 
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
 Posted: July 28 2010 at 14:51 |
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Long as its on youtube.
But honestly...will they say anything I havnt herd before? I think in this thread we've beaten taxes to death, or so you wish  |
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
Posted: July 28 2010 at 14:51 |
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I don't recycle. I do reuse though. Those plastic bags from the grocery store? We use them as trash bags in the bathrooms here and for other things (like carrying stuff).
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The T
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 14:52 |
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Sad. |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: July 28 2010 at 14:53 |
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We do that as well Rob
Also talk about reusing: I once got a package from my parents when I was at school. It was a NY Giants T-shirt but they put it in the box that the cat food tins came in. When I saw that at first, I thought they played some crazy joke on me  Edited by JJLehto - July 28 2010 at 14:58 |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: July 28 2010 at 14:57 |
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I dont know man, I need to do more research on it. I mean I'm not saying f*ck the environment itll be cheaper to not recycle, BUT if it really does not do much for the environment, don't see a need. And landfills really are not bad as they are thought of, kind of like nuclear power. I live right next to staten island and went to school within throwing distance of TMI. I know landfills and nuclear plants |
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The T
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 14:59 |
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If recycling is proved to be inefficient, I agree there would be no need. But it hasn't yet. Anyway, recycling is just a part of the battle for the environment....
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:01 |
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When it comes to the environment, I wholeheartedly agree with the views of the late Michael Crichton.
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manofmystery
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Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:06 |
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I do not need nor do I want your money to pay for my healthcare. But that's beside the point. We all need bathrooms eventually too but I'm not paying for your toilet, sorry but this isn't how things work. Edited by manofmystery - July 28 2010 at 15:08 |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:07 |
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And dont think I' m just sheepishly following 2 magicians..
I've heard about the paper thing (the bad side waste it produces) before. And overall, the extra tucks that are needed, which is extra pollution, and waaay before Penn & Teller (Im talking when I was in middle school) I had a teacher who said that a lot of trash and recyclables do end up in the same landfill. You know I'm all about moderation, maybe don't nix it. But if I had the power I wouldnt be opposed to taking a look at it. A lot of fiscally responsible liberals (they exist!) say we cutting waste is part of the solution. Well have to look at everything. Even if it turns out to be incorrect, I want to at least learn as much as I can. |
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:10 |
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Same thing with "organic" food (as opposed to what, food created in a lab by robots?)- you are not saving the world by eating that stuff. Mess gives me the runs anyway. Give me my preservatives, please.
How far does such food travel to get to market? As a side note, I found out that sugar packets travel around10,000 miles before going into a person's coffee. The sugar is grown in Hawaii, processed in California, and packaged in New York.  Edited by Epignosis - July 28 2010 at 15:11 |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:13 |
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No idea who he is Rob
 And before I come off as a conservative crazy...I'm all for the environment. But it would be nice to look over a lot of this stuff. I hate how it is a politicized issue. Its one that, well should not be an issue, period. Like a few months ago when it came ago that this one scientist, whos data was the basis for human global warming, admitted a lot of it was twisted. Conservatives I knew started and laughing and saying "haha see!" To which I was appalled because I like how just because that may have biased, suddenly caring for the environment flies away. We Americans can be dumb people T Edited by JJLehto - July 28 2010 at 15:18 |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:15 |
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My family does buy those "free range" eggs though. Where the chickens are not cooped up. Parents' theory was: For something as simple as just eggs, do we really need to have them locked up? Not that it is right at all, but we dont have a problem paying the little extra for it in this case. The environment is always a biggie, but animals rights are a touchy issue with me. It may be where I'm most hippie-ish.  Edited by JJLehto - July 28 2010 at 15:16 |
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manofmystery
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Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:20 |
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What is proof to you? I'm just asking because it seems you immediately write off whatever we tell you here and I doubt you'd be willing to consider watching something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzLebC0mjCQ
I am actually serious about the first question too: Where do you get the information that drives your belief system?
Also: Do you trust the information government agencies put out?
Note: I leave for vacation early tomorrow morning so it'll likely be a few days before I read your responses. Edited by manofmystery - July 28 2010 at 15:26 |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:21 |
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1. Organic as opposed to genetically engineered, pesticided, hormoned, anti-bioticed food (and created by robots  ). Preservatives don't enter into it.2. Ideally grown locally and consumed locally. Edited by Slartibartfast - July 28 2010 at 15:26 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:24 |
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To be honest T, Penn and Teller are pretty f*cking biased. BUT they are fair.
They do give other view points, even if they are lambasted you at least have them to think about, and they do often discredit whether than bash the opposing view. And they will admit when someone is right, or grant them their point. Actually quite fair, IMO. And by "they" I mean Penn |
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:25 |
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I was commenting on the folly of using the word "organic." Even with all those things, a genetically engineered, pesticide-laden apple is still organic. I always wanted to start a garden though, but I live in an apartment. |
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JJLehto
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:26 |
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Reminds me of the King of the Hill episode where Hank falls in with that hippie food co-op. Then he introduces them to profit and they sell out to the man But maybe incentives and tax breaks for such co-ops? Anything to help get local, natural food growers going. |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:27 |
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^I think I've seen that one. My wife is a King Of The Hill freak.
See my revised comments above.
Hey, guess what grows really well on an apartment deck: herbs, chili peppers, small tomatoes, tomatillos. You might want to try some container gardening if have a spot that gets good sunlight. Back on topic, what do you Libertarians think about companies trying to get around having to disclose if the milk comes hormoned cows, or if it's been irradiated, etc.? Edited by Slartibartfast - July 28 2010 at 15:34 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:30 |
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I will admit though, that my grandma had apple trees in her yard (before the government took over the land to make a f**king park that they wound up running out of money to fund  )...anyway, these green apples were the best damn apples I think I've ever had.But nuts to healthy eating- grandma would peel, slice them up, and fry those things up nice and golden brown- apple fritters!  |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: July 28 2010 at 15:33 |
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Eminent Domain...
My all time favorite pizza place was taken by the government (well the land its on I guess) to be leveled for more highway. Edited by JJLehto - July 28 2010 at 15:33 |
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