Theism vs. Atheism ... will it ever be settled?

Hey Dean have you managed to get into my website for the photos? It works. I would really like to get those photos of bothe the monster and the airplane.. As far as God goes There just has not been enough proof for me. I believe in monsters more than God.

Vibrationbaby wrote: Hey Dean have you managed to get into my website for the photos? It works. I would really like to get those photos of bothe the monster and the airplane.. As far as God goes There just has not been enough proof for me. I believe in monsters more than God.

I can do some quite clever things, but miracles are beyond me (I think you sent me the wrong web address, or there's a typo in it somewhere) .

Mr ProgFreak wrote: It's surely a poetic line. But it surprises me that a Catholic would quote from the book of revelation of all old testament books ...

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 29 2010 at 13:03

maybye I should start a Darwin thread. But I'm afraid that Mr, Progfreak and myself would just find ourselves agreeing with each other too much.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: .  Psst, Iván, there's no "s", it's The Book of Revelation.   LOL, agai language problems, in Spanish it is called "Libro de las Revelaciones" in plural, so I thought it was the same in English.   Thanks   Iván

That's interesting.  It's plural in Spanish and not in English.  Happen to have any idea whether or not it's plural in the original Greek?

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Mr ProgFreak wrote: It's surely a poetic line. But it surprises me that a Catholic would quote from the book of revelation of all old testament books ...   Thomas Jefferson made his own Bible, taking from it anything he didn't agree with (Wow..Isn't this arrogant?) because according to him (without any support) "The Evangelists invented all"

I don't think this is an arrogant thing to do. You know perfectly well that what we today know as the Bible is the result of a process that took centuries ... there were many factions, and many more gospels, revelations, apocalypses, letters, acts etc. suggested for inclusion. In the end one of the factions won and is today remember as the orthodox one, while the others are remembered as heretics. I don't see why this particular version is to be seen as the ultimate result of this process, when we today know so much more about morality (homosexuality, slavery, racism etc.). You're always preaching political correctness, how about removing some of the more abject verses?

Iván wrote:   George Bernard Shaw was a well known atheist   So even when I won't say anything about them...I don't have to believe a word they say about religion.   And BTW: The Book of Revelations is in the NEW Testament Mike.  As a fact is the newest of the Bible   Iván

Indeed it is ... I stand corrected.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: .  Psst, Iván, there's no "s", it's The Book of Revelation.   LOL, agai language problems, in Spanish it is called "Libro de las Revelaciones" in plural, so I thought it was the same in English.   Thanks   Iván

The title comes from the opening phrase of the first sentence of the book, which refers to a single revelation... ie the angel only delivered one message to John of Patmos. A quick check of the Spanish versions on Biblegateway shows the Spanish text is also singular.

If Jesus Christ was a composite, he's the greatest of all time... 

Edited by The T - July 29 2010 at 13:36

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: I should also add that it's my understanding that Jefferson's rewrite was just to remove anything regarding Jesus' divinity rather than just being a human. Well, Jefferson's Book (There's no Bible by Jefferson), more than a rewrite is a mutilation of the Bible (without being a theologyst).   From the moment he censors any trace of divinity, he's turning Jesus in just a man and he claimed (if I'm not wrong) that Jesus wasn't divine).   I'm not sure if  he was an Atheist or some sort of Agnostic materialist (I believe not even he knew), his cocept of a material divinity is really contradictory.   So yes, he believed Jesius was just a human.   Iván

In fact many Christians believed that in the decades and centuries after his death - the many factions that I mentioned above had very different opinions on *what* Jesus actually was. And even in the finalized collection the issue remains contradictory (e.g. compare the gospel of John to the three other gospels).

^ I'm not doubting you Iván - the book is frequently called the Book of Revelations in English too, though in English this is erroneous. I also notice that the alternative title in Spanish is Apocalipsis which (from google) appears to be singular and plural.

Edited by Dean - July 29 2010 at 13:58