Faith Based Prog

I do not accept it as a fact. And even if he was, I don't believe it would be wrong to use music to evangelise..or to speak out about oppression...or anything political. Music has traditionally been used this way.

Besides, the catholic church needs deserves all the attacking it gets, but in this case i don't believe it.

I do not agree with most things Iván has stated above, but not for any of the reasons anyone has said so far. Whether Morse is proselytising or not is not really much of an issue, same is true for any perceived attacks on organised religion - both are by and large, irrelevant - that there is disagreement on this is indication enough that interpretation plays a part in whether this is something you agree with or are offended by. The idea that music must either be free of any message or carry a warning sticker is simply unacceptable...

 

... and begs the question of not where do you start, but where do you stop, and who is being protected here... the children or their parents or is the aim to protect everyone from content that may offend some?

 

There is a distinction being made here between religious music and music with a religious message, and I wonder how fair and reasonable that is, and how fairly and honestly that would be applied to all forms of music, and how and where that distinction will be made. To say it is okay to praise or eulogise but not to preach or criticise is more than just censorship, it is in itself just another form of evangelising, (and that's worse), just as the PMRC in holding up their idealism as blueprint for all to adopt and live by, were preaching their message by the adoption of the sticker system, stickering all albums that somebody has arbitrarily decided are preaching a message is a back-door means of sending your message on someone else's art. And that's wrong.

I absolutely understand you. (Amazing)

this sticker was created by lobby and pressure of Protestant Christian groups to censor whatever offends them, mostly lyrics made for commercial reasons with no real meaning, I don't believe most Metal musicians really praise Satan.

But when Protestant Christian artists make lyrics expressly created to insult and denigrate other religions that they want, we must all accept it.

Again, the sticker probably shouldn't exist, but if tit exists by pressure of Christian groups, the same rule should apply to them when they attack who they want.

Iván

Please Dean, you know that this are arguments used in every fundamentalist page to attack Catholicism, so there's no doubt what the intention is.

Go to http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/false_religions.htm#rc and you will find each and every word Morse said used to attack the Catholic Church.

You know it Dean, it's obvious.

Iván

I did not want to get involved in this one, but I will just say:

 

1. @ Ivan: you do not want your daughter to get indoctrinized by rock albums she may listen to, but, how did you become a Catholic? surely by some kind of indoctrination. Before rock existed, society had other means of transmitting culture, values, information and so on. Allow me to guess that you got your faith through teachings from your family, habits soaked from your local environment and culture etc etc. Rock albums are a more modern media but there is no good reason why they should be considered too different from previous media. Saying that music must be only "art" and not "culture" is too tricky, the line between both is too thin.

 

2. As often, wise words by Dean. The issue of where to lay rules is one of the most fundamental and frequently dismissed aspects of a human society.

Yeah most people think that nazism must be banned, a few less think that antisemitism must be banned, fewer think that anti-homosexuality must be banned, fewer think that if your neighbour plays music too loud he must be silenced, some think that motorbikes should be forbidden, some think that pigs should not be farmed in such terrible conditons as they are, some think people should not be allowed to smoke even in open spaces...

 

In between there are a lot of grey areas and even more when you realise that everything is tinted by the historical moment, place, culture or beliefs of the people around.

 

Some people like to think that we in the western world live now in a free society. Hahaha, never have things been more regulated and prohibited than now. We can not do this, we can not do that, everything is either forbidden or regulated, if you do not follow the standard you are an outlaw or at the very least a weirdo.

In the end this society force us all to be and live the same way (the way which is "desired for our society") and anything deviatig from this will be banned.

I shiver at the thought but it's the way it looks.