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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 06:51
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Well, even if there is no meltdown, this will certainly cause a lot more sentiment against nuclear plants around the world.


Which is too bad.  People want us to lessen our dependence on fossil fuels, and yet irrationally fear a much cleaner, more sustainable alternative that carries far fewer risks than critics are willing to admit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 07:04
When you take away all the subsidies and take into account the issues with waste disposal, it's a really expensive and dangerous way to boil water.   But let's all keep our fingers crossed they can avert disaster.  I can imagine they are working frantically to do so.  They have had to release some radioactive steam.

I'd hate to see one of the worst earthquakes to hit the island compounded by a nuclear disaster.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 07:18

Huge blast at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant


Last thing that Japan needs is (another) nuclear disaster. It seems nobody is certain about anything; finger crossed the catastrophe won't escalate into a nuclear fallout.Ermm



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 09:19
SHUT DOWN ALL NUCLEAR PLANTS AROUND THE WORLD (as soon as possible)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 10:06
I just read in the news that the earthquake made Japan moove 2,5 meters, and made earth go 10 cm out of its  axis, which is powerfull
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 13:08
I’m unable to find any trustworthy information about the nuclear power plant. This short analysis didn’t make me feel much better:

Analysis

image of Richard Black Richard Black Environment correspondent, BBC News

The term "meltdown" raises associations with two nuclear accidents in living memory: Three Mile Island in the US in 1979, and Chernobyl in Ukraine in 1986.

In both, excess heat in the reactor caused fuel to melt - and in the first, wider melting of the core. The question is whether the same thing has happened in Fukushima.

It appears that the reactor was shut down well before any melting occurred, which should reduce considerably the risk of radioactive materials entering the environment.

However, the detection of caesium isotopes outside the power station buildings could imply that the core has been exposed to the air.

Although Japan has a long and largely successful nuclear power programme, officials have been less than honest about some incidents in the past, meaning that official reassurances are unlikely to convince everyone this time round.



All we can do is hope that they will avoid a disaster. My thoughts are with the Japanese people right now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 14:54
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

I don't know whether being a hard-nosed atheist and skeptic has anything to do with it - but I don't feel like any of this is tough to digest. 

From my point of view, the world we live in is completely indifferent to human suffering. Good things happen, bad things happen, but there is no intent behind any of them - and none of them are affected by prayer or wishful thinking, and neither are the "bad" things a form of punishment. 

Regarding the news reporting: My favorite source of information has been BBC - they had the most useful information and the least nuclear scare mongering. I don't mean to say that the fear of a nuclear catastrophy is irrational in this case - it isn't - but there are safety precautions to prevent a core meltdown, and until we hear otherwise, we can have some trust in them being effective.
 
 
 
Anything having to do with children suffering is difficult for me personally to digest. I believe in prayer but I don't attend church and I'm annoyed by JW'S knocking on my door. Whether or not there is intent for children to die tragically it still affects me and I feel sorrow. I dislike the stories written in the apocalypse of John. I disagree with it and several other aspects such as religious people warning me that the end is coming. If I were to believe in life this way, what the H does that say for the future of my children? So,....no, I am not a born again Christian in that sense and disagree with those motives. The ones which scare the heck out of kids. It's very brainwashing to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 15:02
Well, the risks including possible earthquakes were known and taken into consideration in whether to pursue this technology or not. It was considered acceptable. A gamble, if you will.

Just because the wrong number just came up, it won't change anything because the acceptable risk criteria haven't changed (yet), and we can all only hope that they will, for all our sakes.

Personally, I don't think this tragedy will change anything though. The Chernobyl shock sort of petered out after a while, and so will this. The world is a place run by people who put economic before humanitarian principles, and always will. There will be the usual sympathy noises around the world and then we'll go back to business as usual.

It's sickerning!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 17:13
Latest news here:
 
At least 4 Nuclear power plants in Japan are shut down.
Risk of nuclear fallout minimal, as plants are locked down indefinitely.
Power conservation throughout Japan, on alert.
Death toll in the thousands.
Japan island has moved 2.5m by quake.
Clean up will take billions of dollars.
US and Australia rescue workers in Japan to assist.
 
Special Coverage on Japan disaster about to start on TV! I will know more then.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 17:24
Latest news coming out of Special TV report (from Aus reporter in Tokyo):
 

Reporter in Japan announced just now:

4 nuclear reactors shut down

They poured sea water into the core to try and cool it down, it is helping.

Fukoshima in state of emergency.

Onagawa city has disappeared.

Rolling stoppages to start tomorrow to conserve power

1/5 million households to be shut down for a 3 hour period on a roster for about a week.

2 air force teams arriving from Australia to rescue victims.

More than 2,000 feared dead.

According to reporter, Tokyo streets empty, people worried about aftershocks.

Japan’s economic crisis set to affect the globe.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 17:31
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Well, even if there is no meltdown, this will certainly cause a lot more sentiment against nuclear plants around the world.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 17:41
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

Well, the risks including possible earthquakes were known and taken into consideration in whether to pursue this technology or not. It was considered acceptable. A gamble, if you will.

Just because the wrong number just came up, it won't change anything because the acceptable risk criteria haven't changed (yet), and we can all only hope that they will, for all our sakes.

Personally, I don't think this tragedy will change anything though. The Chernobyl shock sort of petered out after a while, and so will this. The world is a place run by people who put economic before humanitarian principles, and always will. There will be the usual sympathy noises around the world and then we'll go back to business as usual.

It's sickerning!
Very good points! This is exactly what has been on my mind. It's very sad but seems to be true. Great to read your viewpoints about this subject that's for sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 17:44
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Well, even if there is no meltdown, this will certainly cause a lot more sentiment against nuclear plants around the world.
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I have no problem with nuclear power as long as those making the money off of it are willing to bear the consequences and store the waste in their own backyards.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 19:16
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 22:05
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

Well, the risks including possible earthquakes were known and taken into consideration in whether to pursue this technology or not. It was considered acceptable. A gamble, if you will.

Just because the wrong number just came up, it won't change anything because the acceptable risk criteria haven't changed (yet), and we can all only hope that they will, for all our sakes.

Personally, I don't think this tragedy will change anything though. The Chernobyl shock sort of petered out after a while, and so will this. The world is a place run by people who put economic before humanitarian principles, and always will. There will be the usual sympathy noises around the world and then we'll go back to business as usual.

It's sickerning!
Nuclear power is the safest, cheapest, most efficient form of power currently available. I consider myself more or less an "environmentalist", but the environmentalist opposition to nuclear power is incredibly frustrating. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the irrational fear of nuclear power expressed in this thread and in the greater population is never going to go away, even though Chernobyl and 3 Mile Island were decades ago and clearly have no relevance to modern reactors, and it's going to be too late to replace oil with another form of power before we realize how silly and NIMBY we have been.

I don't see how you can say we got lucky when one of the largest earthquakes in recorded history struck Japan and there has been no containment issue. That is the result of good planning and design.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2011 at 23:48
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

Well, the risks including possible earthquakes were known and taken into consideration in whether to pursue this technology or not. It was considered acceptable. A gamble, if you will.

Just because the wrong number just came up, it won't change anything because the acceptable risk criteria haven't changed (yet), and we can all only hope that they will, for all our sakes.

Personally, I don't think this tragedy will change anything though. The Chernobyl shock sort of petered out after a while, and so will this. The world is a place run by people who put economic before humanitarian principles, and always will. There will be the usual sympathy noises around the world and then we'll go back to business as usual.

It's sickerning!
Nuclear power is the safest, cheapest, most efficient form of power currently available. I consider myself more or less an "environmentalist", but the environmentalist opposition to nuclear power is incredibly frustrating. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the irrational fear of nuclear power expressed in this thread and in the greater population is never going to go away, even though Chernobyl and 3 Mile Island were decades ago and clearly have no relevance to modern reactors, and it's going to be too late to replace oil with another form of power before we realize how silly and NIMBY we have been.

I don't see how you can say we got lucky when one of the largest earthquakes in recorded history struck Japan and there has been no containment issue. That is the result of good planning and design.
You apparently have nukular power confused with solar, wind, geothermal, and hydro power.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 00:02
I meant all three of those adjectives in conjunction. ;-) I am in favor of researching alternative energy, but as it stands none of those can come even remotely close to meeting our current demand. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 00:08
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 01:48
I think it very possible that the reason that alterative energy sources are only able to deliver such a small part of the overall required energy supply is that only a tiny fraction of the expenditure pumped into fossil and nuclear fuels goes to their research and development.

Evidently interests don't really lie there. I wonder why that would be and who might possibly be behind that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 13:39
to rely on nuclear power currently is the most profitable alternative for the energy companies worldwide, simple as that ... the risk, costs aso are passed on to the population/society though.

What about the research for regenerative energies? They go easy on that. Nuclear power is safe? Promotion and lies are closely remoted - Chernobyl, and now just look at Japan Angry




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