Ecologic urgency : Air traffic excess

I gave scientific references in my last post. Mike must be feverishly
looking for the counter-study...

Michael Crichton wrote: “I think for anyone to believe in impending resource scarcity, after two hundred years of such false alarms, is kind of weird. I don't know whether such a belief today is best ascribed to ignorance of history, sclerotic dogmatism, unhealthy love of Malthus, or simple pigheadedness, but it is evidently a hardly perennial in human calculation.” “There are many reasons to shift away from fossil fuels, and we will do so in the next century without legislation, financial incentives, carbon-conservation programs, or the interminable yammering of fearmongers. So far as I know, nobody had to ban horse transportation in the early twentieth century.” “I conclude that most environmental "principles" (such as sustainable development or the precautionary principle) have the effect of preserving the economic advantages of the West and thus constitute modern imperialism toward the developing world. It is a nice way of saying, "We got ours and we don't want you to get yours, because you'll cause too much pollution.”

oliverstoned wrote: I gave scientific references in my last post. Mike must be feverishly looking for the counter-study...

So it proves that the issue is not mediatized at all whereas we talk a lot about climate change.

You're true when saying that the system tries to exploit ecology.

In the case of air traffic, there's nothing to exploit except air traffic itself, this is a huge lobby so that's why you'll not hear
about that.

What's frightening is that almost nobody notices the change in our skies...
that's because people spend their time watching their stupid portable phone.

To make changes first you need to acknowledge you have problems.

Epignosis wrote: oliverstoned wrote: So it proves that the issue is not mediatized at all whereas we talk a lot about climate change. You're true when saying that the system tries to exploit ecology. In the case of air traffic, there's nothing to exploit except air traffic itself, this is a huge lobby so that's why you'll not hear about that. What's frightening is that almost nobody notices the change in our skies... that's because people spend their time watching their stupid portable phone. I don't really understand- I live right next to Fort Bragg (which is home to the recently annexed Pope Air Force Base). From our backyard, we see parachutists jump almost everyday. Planes and helicopters are constantly flying around us. Around here, I have seen anything like the pictures you are showing. Why is that?

It can be quite subtle. Here's a pic of a sunset in Fort Brag...
The sun is a pale yellow at sunset whereas it used to be deep orange/red
as it is now very white and dazzlig during the day whereas it used to be mellow and yellow.


Fort Brag

oliverstoned wrote: Epignosis wrote: oliverstoned wrote: So it proves that the issue is not mediatized at all whereas we talk a lot about climate change. You're true when saying that the system tries to exploit ecology. In the case of air traffic, there's nothing to exploit except air traffic itself, this is a huge lobby so that's why you'll not hear about that. What's frightening is that almost nobody notices the change in our skies... that's because people spend their time watching their stupid portable phone. I don't really understand- I live right next to Fort Bragg (which is home to the recently annexed Pope Air Force Base). From our backyard, we see parachutists jump almost everyday. Planes and helicopters are constantly flying around us. Around here, I have seen anything like the pictures you are showing. Why is that? It can be quite subtle. Here's a pic of a sunset in Fort Brag... The sun is a pale yellow at sunset whereas it used to be deep orange/red as it is now very white and dazzlig during the day whereas it used to be mellow and yellow. Fort Brag

I'm sorry, but that is not Fort Bragg, NC.  I'm pretty sure the military doesn't have an ocean next to their barracks. 

According to "Danandloulou's" Travel Pod bio (from where this picture was taken), they have never been within 300 miles of North Carolina.  They have, however, been to California's coast many, many times.  So this is probably the sunset at Fort Bragg, California- 3,000 miles away from me.

I have a good view of the sunset where I live.  It is dramatically different from day to day.

oliverstoned wrote: What's frightening is that almost nobody notices the change in our skies...  that's because people spend their time watching their stupid portable phone.

Same thing here:








Edited by oliverstoned - March 11 2011 at 12:59

Could you please tell me the scientific name of this long tube-shaped cloud please?