The worst of the worst

Anthony wrote: octopus-4 wrote: Anthony wrote: 40footwolf wrote: Whoa whoa whoa! What's with all the hate for The Final Cut? 1. It lacks melody 2 Roger Waters can't sing 3 It's not a Pink Floyd-album 4 Does he HAVE to tell us how bad the world is over and over again? Has he got so little inspiration that he can't write about anything else? 5 Where's David Gilmour? He IS the better singer! 6 It's an uninspired thing to pick songs which were thrown into the bin during the recording of "The Wall" because they weren't good enough. 7 Where's Rick Wright? He too is a better singer. 8 Where's Nick Mason.... oh, forget this one, he's not a singer and is not a good drummer anyway. 9 It may be progressive, but where's the ROCK?? Only "Not now John" is there to kick you out of the coma this album gives to you, but by then the album is (thank God) almost over. so all in all: it's just a Roger Waters solo album, and Waters only cares for his lyrics and not for good music. Well, I don't care for good lyrics if the music is bad, but I'm more forgiving if the music is excellent and the lyrics are so-so. Give me "On the turning away", "Learning to fly", "High hopes", "A great day for freedom" etc. etc. anytime over this crap.   Simply my opinions about youy points (I have started this poll so I'm feeling guilty for the poor TFC).. 1) Two Suns in the Sunset and The Gunner's Dream don't lack melody Imho. 2) I can agree about Waters' singing skills, but the worst song of the album is sung by Gilmour  3) It's a Pink Floyd album made of songs discarded from Animals and The Wall. It lacks the keyboards of Rick Wright and this is its weakness. 4) Remember that when it has been written UK were fighting against Argentina in the Falklands, the Iron Lady was Prime Minister and the British welfare was cancelled. It was the yuppies' age so reminding people about bad things happening was not so useless actually. 5) David Gilmour sings on Not Now John (point 2). I don't know if he was thinking to Waters when he was crying "f**k all that"  6) Partially right, but some songs were ready since before Animals. When Waters came to studio for the new album after the Wall he had two projects ready: TFC and Pros and Cons. The band choosed the first. 7) Rick was sent out of the band during the recording of The Wall. He took part to the tour as additional musician and not as part of the band. So he's the only person who earned some money from that disastrous tour. 8) Nick Mason was there as always. 9) Where is rock in a masterpiece like Tangerine Dreams' Zeit ?  Said so, I think it's the worst Pink Floyd album, but it's still better than many other bands' masterpieces.  Instead of worst I could better say "less good". You're wrong about point 6. Waters let the band choose in 1978 between "The Wall" and "Pros and cons". There was no way that David and Nick could choose for another album than "The Final Cut". Waters even set a deadline for that album to be finished, knowing that slow worker David Gilmour wouldn't have enough time to come up with better songs himself. Point 8: Yes, Nick may be there (except for "Two suns"), but you hear much less drums than on any other Floyd album. Very much the same for point 5: Yes, Gilmour's voice is there, but only for half a song, the rest is just Waters either whispering or screaming, but never singing. Point 9: I don't know, I don't listen to Tangerine Dream ... but if it lacks rock, then I don't know if I will like it. Then again, one would probably not expect any rock from Tangerine Dream, but I certainly expect some rock on a Pink Floyd album.

I Bought the Division Bell on the day it was released  think i have maybe listen to no more than a   dozen times in all  that time says it all for me.

I have read "Inside Out" too, and I don't remember Mason mentioning this fact, but I may be wrong. I have to say that Mason's book is nice and well written, but "Pigs Might Fly " is based on interviews to all the PF entourage during the years. I think it's more adeherent to the reality. 

Is it really worse than Camera Camera ? I'm surprised that it has just one vote.

There is no way that i thought Final Cut would be equal to the much derided Love Beach in a poll like this. Also nice to see some people sticking up for it.

"Memoirs of an Officer and a Gentleman" should exclude Love Beach from the remaining dregs that occupy the list (but I do have a very soft spot in my heart for Abacab's fine production values and generally good songs).

Anthony wrote: 40footwolf wrote: Whoa whoa whoa! What's with all the hate for The Final Cut? 1. It lacks melody --> So what? Melody is overrated 2 Roger Waters can't sing --> What he does works just fine for this album 3 It's not a Pink Floyd-album --> Oh, I'll need to check the name on the sleeve again. And why would Pink Floyd care what people think a Pink Floyd album should sound like? 4 Does he HAVE to tell us how bad the world is over and over again? --> No he doesn't have to, but still he does Has he got so little inspiration that he can't write about anything else? --> I don't care what writers write about, as long as they do it with sincerity and skill 5 Where's David Gilmour? He IS the better singer! --> Mostly in the right speaker shredding a few fantastic solos and not singing co's he had a cold 6 It's an uninspired thing to pick songs which were thrown into the bin during the recording of "The Wall" because they weren't good enough. --> Animals was also written during the Wish You Were Here sessions. Does that make Animals a bad album? 7 Where's Rick Wright? He too is a better singer. --> I don't miss his voice but there's a big keyboard shaped whole where he used to be. 8 Where's Nick Mason.... oh, forget this one, he's not a singer and is not a good drummer anyway. --> He is a great drummer, you recognize him in under 10 seconds (that's two beats probably) 9 It may be progressive, but where's the ROCK?? Only "Not now John" is there to kick you out of the coma this album gives to you, but by then the album is (thank God) almost over. --> Rock is overrated

It's a fine and original album. Quite unique and bashed because of that.

^^^^

Except that's almost never quite how it happened.  Just how like how comparing 90125 to Close to the Edge makes no sense, whereas from Drama to 90125 sounds, naturally, a better reflection of the truth. There's this unofficial fansite called Renaissance Prologue I think and they have uploaded the tourbooks for all the albums from Scheherazade through to Azure D Or and that tells you more about the  gradual change in 'priorities' of the band.  That said, it's still rather strange how they completely lost it after Song for all Seasons, which in 1978 was more inspired than Love Beach, And Then There Were Three or Tormato.  Azure D Or sounds tired and uninspired and not the album you'd expect of a band on the rise.  Perhaps, the 'camps' that seem to have formed within the band were tearing them apart by then.

Anthony wrote: esky wrote: "Memoirs of an Officer and a Gentleman" should exclude Love Beach from the remaining dregs that occupy the list (but I do have a very soft spot in my heart for Abacab's fine production values and generally good songs). This.

This? This what? Speak Engrish, Troupe! (and who's the turd with the guitar?)

Alright gents. Play nice.  After all threads with the title worst in them are uncivil enough on their own.