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Posted: October 23 2010 at 23:54
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The lines are still open to place the sample in Cannibal Ox's Battle For Asgard.
But in the meantime, let's divert into the realm of prog that samples. Yes it happens.
A short time ago I posted Joe Budden's No Escape which samples Radiohead's Street Spirit. But some people don't realise that Radiohead's own hit, Karma Police, itself contained a sample from a very well known band. Without looking it up, can anyone give me the name of the band and song sampled in Karma Police?
Before I hit you up with more hip-hop samples, can anyone solve this?
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 11:30
Is Alvin and the Chipmunks on PA now? This song is a good example of why I don't listen to rap much anymore, that looped sample has no groove to it at all. I know a lot of current rappers do that on purpose because if the music has no groove or accented beats then it allows them to free flow without any particular accented rhythms.
Its like rock guitar players who go nuts at the end of a song because there is no longer any rhythm for them to conform to so it is easier for them to spill out a bunch of notes.
I miss rap with a deadly groove, bring back Eric B and Rakim.
By the way, I don't recognize the sample, possibly something by Rennaisance.
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 14:26
This style of rap music is known as "chipmunk soul" and it was popularised by yes, Mr Kanye West. You take an old sample (originally they were all soul ones, hence the name) and speed it up and then put it over the beat. You're right that it's not groovy but what it does is provide a cheap melodic hit because it compresses more melody into a short time span and then hits you with it over and over for a cheap hook-based high. You're getting a chorus melody over and over so it works as a type of ear candy.
As for the sample being Rennaisance, not even close. Artist begins with N,,.
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Posted: October 29 2010 at 03:33
Well I probably would've laughed at you if you'd known it- it was the closing of Come Cover Me by Nightwish.
Let's take a look at who the French hip-hop community are sampling...
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 15:14
It's the synth from Muse's Newborn.
Alright, the last two acts sampled were sort of prog-lite, Nightwish and Muse. Here's a track from an album I just got, Strong Arm Steady's In Search Of Stoney Jackson, that samples a vintage authentic prog band. Pretty hard to place though, I shall be rather impressed if you get it. Gotta love Talib Kweli.
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 14:11
Damn, one awesome idea for a thread, and I see you came prepared! I always thought that the background vocals for the chorus of Uriah Heep's Rainbow Demon are the first hip-hop vox ever
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 15:37
No one has guessed the sample in Get Started but rather than revealing the answer, here's another hip-hop song with a sample from the same prog band, but this one is MUCH easier to spot. Perhaps it will tip you off.
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Posted: November 10 2010 at 21:11
No Starcastle fans huh?
Because that was Starcastle's own The Stars Are Out Tonight in Jaylib's Stars while part of the melody from Strong Arm Steady's Get Started was from When The Sun Shines At Midnight.
Here's a quite well-known one- I've seen this conversation several times.
A: ZOMG! Kanye West sampled King Crimson!
B: So, he already sampled Can.
C: And Outkast sampled ***** back in 1996.
(Usually the conversation stops there, this seems to exhaust people's knowledge of prog samples in rap.)
So before I hit you with something more obscure, here's that '96 Outkast prog sample... do you know it?
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