Faux Prog Fans

Yeah there definitely are two progs: the original scene centered around the 70s British bands, and the general worldwide timewide all-inclusive "wierd rock" prog. Some people only like the former and they're allowed to but I think the latter is certainly more progressive in mindset.

Alright, there are as many kinds of prog as there are prog listeners. As all these types of prog have exactly the same number of people supporting them- one - they are all as valid as each other. Therefore every act ever suggested goes in without question.

Textbook wrote: Yeah there definitely are two progs: the original scene centered around the 70s British bands, and the general worldwide timewide all-inclusive "wierd rock" prog. Some people only like the former and they're allowed to but I think the latter is certainly more progressive in mindset.

rogerthat wrote: Nathaniel607 wrote:   Ayreon are prog because, in my opinion, of there ingenious use of synthesizers combined with there interesting structres, concepts, instrumentations, chords and sequences. They are like a metal band, but have progressed beyond - using unusual instrumentation and unusual structres. Synths are as old as Rainbow.  In terms of structure too, I didn't hear anything particularly more involved than say something like Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (song) or Orion, unless there was something on that binary digit named album from 2008 which I haven't heard.  The lyrical concepts are all that make them different from a stereotypical metal band...which is exactly like Queensryche, like Fates Warning, like Dream Theater.  Lyrics don't by themselves make a band prog anyway.  Fine, it's your opinion but Ayreon have done nothing of note to progress metal.   They are, rightly, called prog metal, which is essentially a metal genre.

Example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFVL8--fmws

Day Twelve - Trauma

Chorus combined with many synths and a lone voice. This section then progressis into a completely different metal part, with growls and organs and guitars coming in. Then comes a verse with a very interesting sort of frequency limited drum sound, which does things like introduce new riffs. Via some crazy synth bridge this goes to a mental synth solo. After repeating this cycle a crazy chord sequence brings us into a COMPLETLY different style. With some kind of pitch percussion and continuing with the strange chord sequences. With a strange interrupted cadence sorta thing this goes into metal mode again.

They also have a lot of different "backround" instruments in their piece, whereas Metallica or Iron Maiden will usually just stick to Guitar + Guitar + Bass + Drums + Vocals.

That's the main difference between Ayreon and Iron Maiden. They mostly use simple riffs and kinda boring (IMO) chord style things throughout the pieces... wheares Ayreon change instruments, chords and melodies throughout.

Well, this IS just an opinion. You can't PROVE something is prog. Also, a lot of people consider some Metallica prog thrash or prog metal - stuff like "The Call of Ktulu" etc.

The Truth wrote: JJLehto wrote: The Truth wrote: YES WALTER WE FRICKING GET IT, YOU DONT LIKE NEW MUSIC! GET OVER IT! Feeding the troll man, it is hard but resist. Honestly, it provides my lulz. Unless walter is 100% sincere and honest, in which case yeah, I think every single post may be a bit excessive.   I think I'll feed the troll until he gets so fat he won't be able to use his limbs anymore

Fair nuff.

Nathaniel607 wrote:   Example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFVL8--fmws Day Twelve - Trauma Chorus combined with many synths and a lone voice. This section then progressis into a completely different metal part, with growls and organs and guitars coming in. Then comes a verse with a very interesting sort of frequency limited drum sound, which does things like introduce new riffs. Via some crazy synth bridge this goes to a mental synth solo. After repeating this cycle a crazy chord sequence brings us into a COMPLETLY different style. With some kind of pitch percussion and continuing with the strange chord sequences. With a strange interrupted cadence sorta thing this goes into metal mode again. They also have a lot of different "backround" instruments in their piece, whereas Metallica or Iron Maiden will usually just stick to Guitar + Guitar + Bass + Drums + Vocals. That's the main difference between Ayreon and Iron Maiden. They mostly use simple riffs and kinda boring (IMO) chord style things throughout the pieces... wheares Ayreon change instruments, chords and melodies throughout. Well, this IS just an opinion. You can't PROVE something is prog. Also, a lot of people consider some Metallica prog thrash or prog metal - stuff like "The Call of Ktulu" etc.

Henry Plainview wrote: I dislike the idea that musical opinions are motivated by ideology more than taste.

So is it faux-pas to be both a fan of Prog and Punk?

Snow Dog wrote: richardh wrote: boo boo wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: I dislike the idea that musical opinions are motivated by ideology more than taste.   Sometimes they are. I get annoyed by how punks often praise or criticize a band for their ideals and politics and not even the actual music.   Is there such a thing as a faux prog fan? There are fake punks. But why fake being a proggy? It's not exactly a hip thing to be. Punk was fake anyway .It wasn't about the music and all about the politics apparently.So a fake punk fan probably enjoys the music itself. Uh....Punk Rock was as real as any genre.

Giving up to a genre beacuse of ideology or mental closure is a damage that one does to himself, but it's something that happens to everybody at least one time in the life.