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crimson87 
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 Posted: October 11 2009 at 17:05 |
 el dingo wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
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I want both Argentina and Uruguay in the WC , Ecuador deserves to qualify as well but FIFA goes after the big bucks and they would rather prefer lots of European teams in their tournament. |
That's interesting, since we Europeans have been complaining about FIFA and especially Blatter because he's dilluting the WC competition with more and more places for Oceanic, Carrabean, African and Asian teams and less places for European and South-American teams. They say it's a movement aiming the spread of football in all the world but many see this as a conspiration scenario: the FIFA bosses are bribing third rate federations with places in the WC for their votes, making it possible for the bosses to overrun the main federations' interests with the votes from the minor federations. (The same thing is happening with Platini, the new UEFA boss being supported by the small Eastern European federation).
I assume the truth is somewhere at the middle...
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This fellow European can't agree more. Blatter is so unpoular in this country it's unreal. Platini much less so - we all remember him as a fantastic player, so unlike Blatter, he still tends to have our respect. |
Actually if he wants to spread football all over the world he should invite China and India to the World Cup and then let the other 32 countries ( including 7 South American and 14 European) play for the other spots.
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Posted: October 11 2009 at 17:13 |
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The perception here is that FIFA increased the numbers for Africa and Asia to please agents, impresarios and managers who will gain much money putting their pupils (mainly young Africans) in the showroom of the WC. It's blatant that FIFA officers will have their share in the profits too.
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crimson87
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Posted: October 11 2009 at 17:18 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
it's unfair that a team who plays terrible football (we are worst) goes to the cup throwing out a country as Uruguay or Ecuador who deserve it better.
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Ivan , actually a team who plays terrible football is the World Champion.  Nothing it's deserved , you just have to get the ball though that line no matter what. We deserved more than any other team the last 2 World Cups because we played better football : In the first one the ball didn't get in enough times against Sweeden , and in the second one it was a penalty shootout in which you can randomly win or lose.
Unlickily , football is not like tennis in which you have to win every point and play better than your rival to win the match. It can be quite unfair sometimes.
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Posted: October 11 2009 at 21:08 |
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^yes. Ecuador played like sh*t vs Uruguay. Yet the referee helped bring us down. Argentina, like always, was given a victory by a referee with last name Ortube. Argentina will be in the world cup thanks to Fifa. Ecuador will not be there thanks to their incompetence but also thanks to Fifa.
And i don't know what world cup you were watching when you say Argentina was a great team in the last two events. They played fast, i can give you that. But good football? A tad less ugly than Italy maybe.
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Posted: October 11 2009 at 23:28 |
crimson87 wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
it's unfair that a team who plays terrible football (we are worst) goes to the cup throwing out a country as Uruguay or Ecuador who deserve it better.
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Ivan , actually a team who plays terrible football is the World Champion. Nothing it's deserved , you just have to get the ball though that line no matter what. We deserved more than any other team the last 2 World Cups because we played better football : In the first one the ball didn't get in enough times against Sweeden , and in the second one it was a penalty shootout in which you can randomly win or lose.
Unlickily , football is not like tennis in which you have to win every point and play better than your rival to win the match. It can be quite unfair sometimes.
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There are moments where Argentina are without a doubt one of the best 3 teams of the world, but sometimes they play like an average team, I don't share your point of view about the last 2 World Cups, and since I am Mexican I have to remind you something, in the last WC, when Argentina eliminated Mexico, there was a decisive moment where an incompetent referee did not give the red card to Heinze when he truly deserved it, fact that would have changed everything. And then you won because of an extraordinary goal of Maxi, not because you played better football.
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Atkingani
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 00:19 |
Actually the WC is a tournament not a real championship with 2 legs, everyone playing everyone and bla bla bla and so the tournament's winner may be a team with a peak moment just in that period or even in a single game.... Sometimes a detail, an error by the referee, the rain, the field conditions will define the winner.
In a year long championship the statistics say that in average the 'best' team will compensate those minor problems and get the trophy which is not the case for the WC. Anyway, the WC is indeed a big event.
Edited by Atkingani - October 12 2009 at 00:20
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 01:27 |
Just as a side piece, one of the main attractions of the World Cup for many European fans is the chance to pitch ourselves against the South American giants in an ultra-competitive, meaningful tournament.
After the 1978 Argentina win, sky blue and white striped shirts were worn all over the UK as a kind of tribute, I guess, and the amount of non-official rip-off Brasilian shirts sold in the UK over the last 20-odd years must run into hundreds of thousands.
From England's point of view Germany are the rivals, but Argentina come a pretty close second, even above France i would say.
Interestingly, my local bar has a series of famous sports pictures in the Pool Room - Paul Gascoigne crying, Ali standing over Sonny Liston, Jonny Wilkinson,s drop goal to win the Rugby World Cup against Australia, etc etc. But the one with pride of place is of Pele embracing Bobby Moore. That picture summed up football for my entire generation.
Do you South American guys feel the same about meeting European competition?
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Atkingani
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 08:01 |
el dingo wrote:
Just as a side piece, one of the main attractions of the World Cup for many European fans is the chance to pitch ourselves against the South American giants in an ultra-competitive, meaningful tournament.
After the 1978 Argentina win, sky blue and white striped shirts were worn all over the UK as a kind of tribute, I guess, and the amount of non-official rip-off Brasilian shirts sold in the UK over the last 20-odd years must run into hundreds of thousands.
From England's point of view Germany are the rivals, but Argentina come a pretty close second, even above France i would say.
Interestingly, my local bar has a series of famous sports pictures in the Pool Room - Paul Gascoigne crying, Ali standing over Sonny Liston, Jonny Wilkinson,s drop goal to win the Rugby World Cup against Australia, etc etc. But the one with pride of place is of Pele embracing Bobby Moore. That picture summed up football for my entire generation.
Do you South American guys feel the same about meeting European competition? |
Indeed! Although our greatest rivals are our neighbors, being Argentina the number 1 and Uruguay the number 2 (before 1978 I think the order was Uruguay & Argentina) people here love when we meet some great European powers: Germany, Italy, England, Spain and that 'world team' that goes by the name of France (they have a debt with us  ).
Considering the playing style we think that The Netherlands, Portugal and Hungary are closer to the general South American style (I said 'general' because there are differences in the styles here too). Also Denmark, Romania and the Czech had teams with enjoyable styles from a South American point of view.
Outside Europe we have a fair consideration for Mexico and most recently for the USA. And let's not forget some African teams like Nigeria or Ghana that play neatly and may always make a surprise.
As for shirts, it's more common to see European club shirts than those from their national teams. The most popular are: Barcelona, Milan, Inter Milan, Manchester, Bayern Munich, Roma, Arsenal, Porto, etc.
Edited by Atkingani - October 12 2009 at 08:02
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crimson87
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 08:54 |
el dingo wrote:
Do you South American guys feel the same about meeting European competition? |
Yeah , the only thing I regret is that Argentina and Brazil don't play against the European giants in South America. That would be worth watching.
But the European - South American faceoff that I always expect is the one between clubs: Seeing your local team with little budget playing against Milan or ManU that's impressive. To tell you more or less how we expect this match in South America , picture that Copa Libertadores ends in June and fans are 6 months wainting for that match to take place. This year we'll see if Estudiantes can beat Barcelona , anyway the competition was more interesting when it had home-away matches between just Europe and South America. Now it takes place in Japan and you have to play against unknown teams (with the exception of the Mexican one) before facing the european club.
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 12:39 |
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I like WC, I like watching sports, and as i just want to be entertained, im ok with the fact that its not allways fair, and that its the money that sets the rules. That's life.
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el dingo
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 12:40 |
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Thanks - I guessed that would be the case.
Re your point about club shirts we have lots of them here too - I've got several Norwich City & Real Mallorca ones (my English & Spanish clubs) but the ones you mention are worn all over Europe too.
I really understand the point about the small local club taking on mighty money teams - Norwich City beat Vitesse Arnhem and Bayern Munich in the UEFA Cup in 1994 and then went out narrowly in the next round to Inter Milan.
It was fantastic and i went to four of the six matches 
The Bayern fans were tremendous even though they lost and my friends and i had a good drink with them before the game - we were even on Eurosport as lots of the main official fan group were in the same bar as us 
Edited by el dingo - October 12 2009 at 12:40
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 22:35 |
The black hand problem will be solved when South American referees go to Europe and European referees come to South America for the qualifying.
How is it possible that a guy with opposite interests is the referee?
Iván
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 23:04 |
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C'mon New Zealand, we are only one win away from making our 2nd World Cup. We have not made one since 1982, and if we did make it, it will be huge for New Zealand. We are a sports mad country, and trust me, if we make it, we will try out utmost to make everyone proud.
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 23:35 |
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Quite a game the Italy-Eire match, eh? Very entertaining with some fine goals
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el dingo
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 03:20 |
Any Colour You Like wrote:
C'mon New Zealand, we are only one win away from making our 2nd World Cup. We have not made one since 1982, and if we did make it, it will be huge for New Zealand. We are a sports mad country, and trust me, if we make it, we will try out utmost to make everyone proud. |
We had Chris Killen on loan here at Norwich for a while last season but he got injured so we hardly saw him. He's doing okay at Celtic right now.
Good luck bro - hope you make it 
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 03:25 |
el dingo wrote:
Any Colour You Like wrote:
C'mon New Zealand, we are only one win away from making our 2nd World Cup. We have not made one since 1982, and if we did make it, it will be huge for New Zealand. We are a sports mad country, and trust me, if we make it, we will try out utmost to make everyone proud. |
We had Chris Killen on loan here at Norwich for a while last season but he got injured so we hardly saw him. He's doing okay at Celtic right now.
Good luck bro - hope you make it |
Yeah, Killen is pretty good by NZ standards. We should be a lot better than we are, more Kiwi kids play Football than Rugby so I don't see why we should not be capable of winning more serious fixtures. Anyway, thanks, and we'll see how it goes on Nov 14.
Edited by Any Colour You Like - October 13 2009 at 03:26
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 03:54 |
FIFA and Sepp Blatter decided recently (a week or two ago) to draw the playoff matches in the European qualifiers based on a seeding system, just to make sure the big nations that are struggling in their groups (France, Portugal, Russia etc.), get a favourable match-up to help them advance to the Finals. It's a wonder Blatter hasn't been tried on corruption charges years ago, it's so obvious it's almost laughable. Personally, I wouldn't mind it one bit if Cristiano Ronaldo misses out on the World Cup  . That aside, I'm really looking forward to the World Cup now that there's not even a theoretical possibility of my Norway team qualifying. It's better to not qualify at all, than to be utterly ridiculed by opponents in the Finals.
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el dingo
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 03:57 |
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There are so many competent Norwegian footballers plying their trade in Europe I'm always a bit surprised that you don't do better than you do  |
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 04:01 |
el dingo wrote:
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There are so many competent Norwegian footballers plying their trade in Europe I'm always a bit surprised that you don't do better than you do |
That used to be true 10-15 years ago, but not anymore. After Solskjær retired(yes, he played for the wrong team but I respect what he did for them), we really only have Hangeland and J.A.Riise who perform adequately for their respective teams. Gamst Pedersen and Carew are horribly overrated, and the rest of the guys we have playing abroad are bench warmers for the most part.
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 04:04 |
Hangeland is awesome - a centreback playing at a club like Fulham gets plenty of action, I can promise you.
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