The Arrogant Proggie

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Starless wrote:   Starless wrote: Gawd there's a lot of whiny liberals on this post! Most modern pop (pap) musick sucks, end of. Arrogant and proud of it - ask the wife! Because conservatives don't whine more at all.  No way.  You don't turn on Faux News and see Bill O Reilly flip the lid towards innocent people.  You don't see Jack Thompson try to ban video games even though he was revoked of his rights to law.  No way. Other than defending myself, I have nothing relevant to post in this topic.  Then again, these last 3 posts had nothing to do with the post either.

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Dominic wrote: sealchan wrote: 2.  Catchier melodies in pop, especially if producers and other non-musical professionals get involved Though this is only a "quality" attribute to a person who finds catchiness especially substantial. When i think of the kind of catchiness of pop music, (surely this will make me come off as an "arrogant proggie ) it's like an annoyance that i can't get out of my head, similar to some Christmas songs or  children's jingles. I don't really understand the term "challenging music", because i don't see how it's an exertion to actually pay attention for a long period of time to an interesting arrangement of sounds. Anyways, i think we shouldn't feel guilty for enjoying prog. music over pop music; it's not as if everyone is naturally inclined towards more simplistic music and prog. enthusiasts are all just pretentious b*****ds trying to be different. DatM wrote: It totally depends on how important music is to a person and what they're looking for in it.  Some people just care about the lyrics.  Others just want something to dance to, etc... That being said, I find it hard to relate to a person that listens to Britney Spears...but I wouldn't look down on them for it....that's like a gourmet chef looking down on me for enjoying hamburgers, hehe. That's pretty much how i feel King Crimson776 wrote: Yeah I've noticed that... some would say that it's a backlash against the perception of prog fans but I dunno, I think we're just chill and don't take sh*t seriously.  I find that prog fan much more often than the arrogant type. I remember a line from a character out of one of my fav. books: "It seems that the less a person is really interested in art, the stronger their opinions are of it" That's how i feel sometimes when i notice some of my friends arguing about music.

Hmmm. I don't know why, but I disagree with that quote. I love music, my father's a jazz musician, and since I was a kid, I've been listening to musc, and fortunately I've been influenced to listen to some of the greatest musicians ever to grace humanity in my opinion. That said, I love music, and I love to discuss art, and I like to discuss music a lot. I find it interesting to discuss with musicians and enthusiasts alike. The way I see it, you refer in your quote that the more a person likes to talk, and discuss about an art, automatically that person doesn't understand any of it, or doesn't even like it.

I couldn't disagree more.

Perhaps this may be due to prog being treated with condensing tone by many members of the media who do not want to make the effort to listen to it.

Werneflo wrote: Well, this is easily the friendliest internet-forum I've ever been to, and it's full of prog-fans. I think it's like this: When you know you're the best, you have no reason to be arrogant.

The arrogant proggie, it's such a sentence. A lonely sentence.

Edited by Geizao - June 06 2009 at 13:04

I can prove my subjective opinion to be better than yours by using objective measures of my own making. Therefore, if I choose to, I can prove you wrong by saying that my reasons are a valid way of saying so.

If you can't measure it objectively, it is subjective. 2 + 2 = 4. 3>2. AC/DC is no better or worse than VDGG. Some like one, some like the other, some like both, some can't stand either one, and there are even some who haven't a clue who AC/DC or VDGG are.



Edited by debrewguy - June 07 2009 at 16:20

DrummerDad wrote: Hope its not to late for a newb to add .02.     The problem I have found to be, is that most people consider music entertainment. They dont get progressive music, because its too complicated. They want to tap a foot, or slap a knee, and you cant do that to progressive music, without being able to really count. Math music FTW.   I have an especially hard time, because Im in Tennessee, country music central. Try explaining syncopation,  and odd meters  to country music fans. And then they always want you to listen to "this really good song....Its got a great drum beat".... Yeah, o..k..a..y..   Arrogant? Maybe, but with good reason. I think that country music is the least talented group of musicians, as a whole, or at least the group who puts in the least amount of effort. Hi-hat and bass on one and three, and snare on two and four. The singers are usually okay, but the over exaggerated twang makes me want to kick puppies. And lets see them sing a song in 17/8.   If the average listener wants to interpret a deeper understanding and appreciation of music into arrogance, Ill take it.

Speaking as your neighbor to the south you might want to qualify that a little.  Commercial country music yes.  But there's plenty of stuff you can stick under the country music umbrella that isn't no talent crap.


Edited by Slartibartfast - June 16 2009 at 20:46

Maybe the situation DrummerDad is talking about could be improved if more progressive rock bands begun drawing influence from country? You'd think that things like Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds (not to mention Johnny Cash covering their The Mercy Seat) would have opened country fans up to more "modern" types of music...