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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2008 at 16:51
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I don't quite know what is meant by "Cyberpunk". from the mentioning of  movies by 1800iareyay it looks as if all movies in which androids appear fall under "Cyberpunk". I can certainly see the "Cyber" element there, but where please is the "punk" in those movies?

Cyberpunk are the types of movies that are baes in a grim, sometimes near or post apocaliptic future where technology si constatly in your face and has changed the way human interact. Emotions become more and more strange as humans become more and more robotics. Usually the world is dominated by big corporations and the heroe is the outcast (usually a hacker).

A good example in movies is Blade Runner and in literature the Neuromander by William Gibson, which is rumored its being finally made to a movie, directed by Chris Cunningham

that description would make "Metropolis" by Fritz Lang the first cyberpunk movie Confused


Well, needless to say how groundbreaking Metropolis was, right? It´s one of the first Sci fi movies ever, the only one I can think of that came before is Melies A trip to the moon, so it´s more than probable Metropolis had a big influence in Gibsons writting and ultimatly the genre itself.
As far as the "old wine in the new trousers" goes, I doubt it was Gibson who coined the genre by that name... or was it? Anyone has some info on this?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2008 at 17:18
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

This "Cyberpunk" label seems to me pretty much like "Alter Wein in neuen Schluchen" ("old wine in new skins"), meaning it is nothing but a marketing label. These kind of dystopian scenarios have been around a long time before Gibson and his Neuromancer (which is very overrated as a book, by the way; I read it and did not find it remarkable at all). Stanislaw Lem preceded him by a decade at least. Philip K. Dick was ahead of him too.


So far, I think cyberpunk is some sort of mixture between ruined, rusted future, with humanity turned into scavengers, 80's hair, 80's look; but then again, people say that Ghost in the shell also fits... subgenres are fiction anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2008 at 17:57
Cyberpunk movies are generally post 70s by the way. The vibe I get from it reminds me a lot of laser tag. It's got that whole rebel, hacker, neon-drenched vibe to it. Definitely technology-based. The best examples I think are Hackers, Johnny Mnemonic (going by a few minute of it), and The Matrix, though there's no laser tag in that one. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2008 at 19:50
Quatermass, The Day of The Triffids, Flash Gordon (ahem), and of course, the proggiest film of all time, the legendary Tron.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 16:39
I know it's a series rather than a movie but what about Blake's Seven?
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 18:48
If you're going in that direction what about Red Dwarf,which is one of my all-time favorite TV shows.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 21:30
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

If you're going in that direction what about Red Dwarf,which is one of my all-time favorite TV shows.

I need to check this show out, as well as Doctor Who. So far the only SF show I watch is the genius remake of BSG (and Heroes if you count all that genetic talk as sci-fi).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 00:12
Don't forget the legendary German SF-series "Raumpatrouille" ("Space Patrol"). It had only seven episodes, but there have been numerous reruns of it. I am too young to have seen it the first time around, but I saw the reruns several times. Great stuff!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 14:30
While talking about TV programs, I have to mention the X files... which are good, but I think they aren´t that good now, looking back I mean. For sure in it´s days they seemed much better
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 14:43
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

If you're going in that direction what about Red Dwarf,which is one of my all-time favorite TV shows.

I need to check this show out, as well as Doctor Who. So far the only SF show I watch is the genius remake of BSG (and Heroes if you count all that genetic talk as sci-fi).


Red Dwarf's a comedy set in space. hilarious at times, but it won't sate your science-fiction fandom


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 15:17
Dude. Wouldn't Science Fiction mean FICTION with SCIENCE elements? And Terminator is certainly that, since it explores Science, and the idea of it taking over the world from humans. Oaky, maybe it would be more fitting with "Tech fiction", in a way. But it's still science fiction.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 15:26
sure, "Terminator" definitely falls under the SF-moniker. and as far as I know nobody denied that so far.

by the way: how about "Flesh Gordon", a porn-SF-movie and a parody of "Flash Gordon". there are a lot of scenes which are being copied from the original "Flash Gordon", but given a sexual treatment. lots of nudity in that movie; try to get an uncensored version of it


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 19:27
Flesh Gordon approaching, seize fire!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 19:52
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

sure, "Terminator" definitely falls under the SF-moniker. and as far as I know nobody denied that so far.

by the way: how about "Flesh Gordon", a porn-SF-movie and a parody of "Flash Gordon". there are a lot of scenes which are being copied from the original "Flash Gordon", but given a sexual treatment. lots of nudity in that movie; try to get an uncensored version of it

Is it a good porno at least? Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2008 at 10:38
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

sure, "Terminator" definitely falls under the SF-moniker. and as far as I know nobody denied that so far.

by the way: how about "Flesh Gordon", a porn-SF-movie and a parody of "Flash Gordon". there are a lot of scenes which are being copied from the original "Flash Gordon", but given a sexual treatment. lots of nudity in that movie; try to get an uncensored version of it


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2008 at 14:18
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2008 at 14:27
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

If you're going in that direction what about Red Dwarf,which is one of my all-time favorite TV shows.
Yeah it never really caught on in North America. Sort of like Monty Python didn`t catch on. I like the earlier episodes a lot more though. Read the books before the show came out, it`s sort of Dr. Who meets Hitchiker`s Guide To The Galaxy.
 There`s also an old British show I used to watch as a kid called UFO. Anyone remember that with the babes with the purple hair?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2008 at 15:18
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

sure, "Terminator" definitely falls under the SF-moniker. and as far as I know nobody denied that so far.

by the way: how about "Flesh Gordon", a porn-SF-movie and a parody of "Flash Gordon". there are a lot of scenes which are being copied from the original "Flash Gordon", but given a sexual treatment. lots of nudity in that movie; try to get an uncensored version of it
Well, someone called it an action movie set in a definite time period, so i got kinda defensive. :)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2008 at 15:22
Originally posted by Evans Evans wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

sure, "Terminator" definitely falls under the SF-moniker. and as far as I know nobody denied that so far.

by the way: how about "Flesh Gordon", a porn-SF-movie and a parody of "Flash Gordon". there are a lot of scenes which are being copied from the original "Flash Gordon", but given a sexual treatment. lots of nudity in that movie; try to get an uncensored version of it
Well, someone called it an action movie set in a definite time period, so i got kinda defensive. :)

Well, it is an action movie set into a certain period. Many SF-movies are actually action movies too. "Robo-Cop", for example. Or "Total Recall". The two terms don't necessarily exclude each other.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2008 at 19:21
Before i add mine...i see no one raised an eyebrow at Jason and the Argonauts? Greek mythology me thinks, not sci-fi.
 
Aliens is surely the greatest sci-fi movie ever, however for every good sci-fi movie there has been about 100 hundred bad ones......stand up Thunderbirds and Gattaca.
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