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Dean

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Posted: November 26 2007 at 19:03

micky wrote:

an album I loved, since you mention it

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=82337

and an album I LOATHED.... LOL

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496

Pure Genius, have many clappies

(I play The Virge's album quite a bit, but then I'm an anarchiyes)

Edited by darqdean - November 26 2007 at 19:04

What?

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Posted: November 26 2007 at 19:09

salmacis wrote:

I don't get why Micky has been singled out continually in this thread. I never saw him as being of that aggressive, snobby ilk- I don't get the impression that he likes DT but he's never vicious about it. This brings me to another issue, though, that's completely at the other end of the spectrum- some people need to get a thicker skin, IMHO. There's a big difference between somebody saying they don't like a band and somebody firing missives at fans of those particular bands, and I feel that should be taken into account, although the lines are often admittedly blurred in several posts I've read.

I get singled out... because... it's fun. Anyone who's been here longer than a couple of months knows I just love to pick on them. Call it affectionate ribbing.. of the band.. and yes.. their acne-scarred fans LOL

To someone who doesn't know me.. my posting style they may seen it as mean-spirited .. or just have that treetrunk up their ass I spoke of.. it might appear to be aggressive.. or firing missiles but it isn't.

The simple point is.. it is fun to pick fun at them... if it wasn't...I wouldn't bother.. there is lots of stuff I don't like.. and have no time or patience take mean spirited shots at groups or their fans for the hell of it.

infandous wrote:

Heh, at least you've demonstrated to us that you've actually listened to them with the "marshall turned off" comment LOL

listened to nearly all of them, though I have only owned one (pawned it after I reviewed it) ... my better half has nearly all of them and considers it a perverse form of foreplay to make me sit through them LOL

Edited by micky - November 26 2007 at 19:11

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Posted: November 26 2007 at 19:11

darqdean wrote:

micky wrote:

an album I loved, since you mention it

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=82337

and an album I LOATHED.... LOL

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496

Pure Genius, have many clappies

(I play The Virge's album quite a bit, but then I'm an anarchiyes)

thanks.. .I love clappies Embarrassed

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Posted: November 26 2007 at 19:38

micky wrote:

I get singled out... because... it's fun. Anyone who's been here
longer than a couple of months knows I just love to pick on them.
Call it affectionate ribbing.. of the band.. and yes.. their
acne-scarred fans LOL

To someone who doesn't know me.. my posting style they may seen it as mean-spirited .. or just have that
treetrunk up their ass I spoke of.. it might appear to be
aggressive.. or firing missiles but it isn't.

The simple point is.. it is fun to pick fun at them... if it wasn't...I
wouldn't bother.. there is lots of stuff I don't like.. and have
no time or patience take mean spirited shots at groups or their fans
for the hell of it.

I love to make fun of them too, I actually like the band though

. I usually make fun of hipster music and its fans but poking fun at DT is cool too. The acne scarred thing is funny and has some truth to it, but that description fits alot of prog fans in general.

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Posted: November 26 2007 at 19:53

King Crimson776 wrote:

I love to make fun of them too, I actually like the band though

. I usually make fun of hipster music and its fans but poking fun at DT is cool too. The acne scarred thing is funny and has some truth to it, but that description fits alot of prog fans in general.

sh*t.... what I would give for an outbreak of frickin acne... I just worry about all this grey hair in my newly growing beard.. and think back to days of worrying about being called craterface.. hell...I now get to worry about being called 'old man' LOL

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Posted: November 26 2007 at 21:45

micky wrote:

ClassicRocker wrote:

chamberry wrote:

You should be more careful with your words then. I got the wrong impression of you because of it. I still don't like the idea of bashing a band (that's probably why I still haven't made a one-star review...), but that's just me.

IMO you can easily give a one-star rating to an album you don't like and it doesn't mean you are bashing the band, but that you just dislike that release.
Case-in-point: Yes is one of my favorite bands, yet if there was ever an album that deserved one star it was their "Yes Remixes" release! Sometimes brutal honesty is necessary, (even if it hurts a little deep down inside.)
...just my 2 cents on that slightly tangential subject Smile

hahha.. damn right brother.... reviewing is an art.... have some clappies

Clap

an album I loved, since you mention it

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=82337

and an album I LOATHED.... LOL

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496

Nice reviews

[and some of these right back atcha Clap

]

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Posted: November 26 2007 at 22:33

ClassicRocker wrote:

I know what you're saying. If I ever manage to make a 1 star review I'll do it without bashing it, but I just can't find the motivation to write a 1 star review while there are still 4 and 3 star reviews left to write. Big%20smile

I don't know... Maybe I'm too much of a nice guy to try and write a 1 star review Confused

, but the day will come... eventually.

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Posted: November 27 2007 at 12:57

The T wrote:

Progressive music elitists have complexes, they probably lack enough self-steem to be able to feel comfortable among people just by their own personality and traits. As they may have nothing about themselves good enough to be proud of, or if they do, as they may be completely angry or upset at the rest of the "vulgar" musical crowd for any reason (being outcast when young, etc), it's just normal that, when they realize they're listening to more complex music, they think that makes them superior to the average music fan. Or, also, they KNOW that the music you hear doesn't mean sh*t about anything, but they have to cling to that as it's the only thing that separates them from what they ahte the most.... being vulgar.

Yes, I used to be one of those a few years ago. Now I would despise myself.

I had pretty much the same thoughts a few days.

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Posted: November 27 2007 at 14:00

about seven years ago in a lost corner of my website, I wrote this little rant relating to my time at school in the 1970s:

"While the bigger-kids at school listened to 200 Motels, I listened to Electric Warrior. This was frowned upon and reason enough for them to take the p!ss out of me for the rest of my school life. At the time I found this amusing - to be cool I had to like what they liked, it wasn't cool to be different. I realised if that was cool, I didn't want it. For this reason alone, at that time I virulently did not like Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention. I chuckled at this several years later at a Zappa concert. I laughed out loud when I bought The Yellow Shark. If there is irony here, it is that when I play a Frank record, I immediately want to listen to a Marc record and vice versa (and I still don't want to be cool)."

see, nothing changes.

What?

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Posted: November 27 2007 at 14:37

I view elitism as a way people set out to separate themselves and rise above others, at least in their own mind; away from those who choose the path of what is considered the norm. Like those who are the "cool ones", they desire to be special in some fashion because being just like everyone else is simply not acceptable. They must be better or different in some way. Each of us, to varying degrees, exhibit this. Whether it's the pride associated with not owning any mainstream rock, or making yourself not conform to what is popular, or simply not trying or wanting to be cool, one still reaches for that something that they hope makes them different. Is it their identity they form in this way? Does that identity have integrity?

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Posted: November 27 2007 at 15:25

They're is absolutely no problem with people try to separate themselves and rise above others. I believe the issue here is how it's done. If your looking for music that is out of the norm, fine. We should all probably do this in one way or another. But, when you disparage other musical tastes and likes as a means of rising above, that would seem to be a text book case of a snob.
"You suck cause you like (or don't like) {insert band name}" or "You like {insert band name/ musical style} snicker, snicker" is not striving for separation or rising above of others, at least in a positive fashion.

Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has

been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up.

- Terry Pratchett

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Posted: November 27 2007 at 22:38

khammer99 wrote:

They're is absolutely no problem with people try to separate themselves and rise above others. I believe the issue here is how it's done. If your looking for music that is out of the norm, fine. We should all probably do this in one way or another. But, when you disparage other musical tastes and likes as a means of rising above, that would seem to be a text book case of a snob.
"You suck cause you like (or don't like) {insert band name}" or "You like {insert band name/ musical style} snicker, snicker" is not striving for separation or rising above of others, at least in a positive fashion.

But don't forget the other extreme of the rope, there's people who say, "If you don't like a determined band and/or genre, you're a close minded iduiot witth no intelligence, bla bla bla"

Let everybody with their taste, I love Symphonic, Neo and Folk Prog mainly, but i won't place a gun in the head of anybody to force them to like Symphonic, some see it too simple, others see it too complex (as a fact, most of my friends don't like prog), it's a wide world and there's a huge variety of genres to choose in and outside prog.

I don't like Dream Theater what's the big deal, I recognize they are extremely talented musicians, but their music says nothing to me, Just in case neither I like Henry Cow, simply goes beyond my understanding.

Shouting intolerance, close mindness, etc is the best way to increase the differences between persons who like something and those who don't.

Iván

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Posted: November 28 2007 at 03:51

micky wrote:

and an album I LOATHED.... LOL

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496

Great review - I think I was a bit generous with mine.

Looks like you were too scared to give it the 1 star it deserves...

...mind you, I did the same thing here; http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=14141

I LOVE progressive elitism.

Edited by Certif1ed - November 28 2007 at 03:55

The important thing is not to stop questioning.

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Posted: November 28 2007 at 05:33

I'm not really worried about treading on toes here and I'll happily refer to certain subsets of the prog experience as "music to iron to" or "half-way between Take That and an over-practised pub rock band" but I do it in jest. There's no need to get so uptight about differing opinions or their manner of expression. I can endure people calling my favourite bands "unlistenable garbage" or "calculated japanophiliac magnets", after all... ;P

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Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:20

Certif1ed wrote:

micky wrote:

and an album I LOATHED.... LOL

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496

Great review - I think I was a bit generous with mine.

Looks like you were too scared to give it the 1 star it deserves...

...mind you, I did the same thing here; http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=14141

I LOVE progressive elitism.

Thanks...I remember I took something from your SFaM review in there... could have taken several things hahahah. Some twit actually reported my review when I posted that. And people wonder why I joke about tree trunks up people's asses.

progressive elitism does rule doesn't it LOL

.. very interesting review Mark. Don't agree with it... but interesting all the same. Clap

I need to review that album... but preparing for my second prog metal review right now.. found that '5 star' album... might even drop SFaM to 3 stars...

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Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:26

just curious, micky, what progmetal album might that be? Tongue

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Posted: December 03 2007 at 22:00

micky you never answered my question Cry

woe is me about a week ago

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Posted: December 04 2007 at 03:24

I missed this fun, but I'll take a swing anyway:

I would like people to stop ranting in general. Think about your damn post before you make it, don't just vomit anger onto your OP and call it a day. That's hardly a good way to start discussion.

For all the fervent attacks, I have never met a person on these forums like these "elitists" that people constantly deride. On the other hand, I very frequently meet people who can't seem to understand how I can genuinely enjoy some of the stuff I like. I laugh at the "forced repeated listenings" part--surely you did not like your favorite albums immediately? Don't we constantly say "give it more time" when someone dislikes something we think is good?

People make fun of DT noobs because they're sick of seeing the same damn threads over and over again when the noob should use the search function. And because they're jerks, but everyone on the internet is a jerk to some degree, and you have to either accept it or leave.

Actually, I just finished reading the whole thread, and I take back some of what I said about people in general. KingCrimson776 is just acting like an idiot (if he was trying at sarcasm, which was hinted sort of but I'm really tired, then you're far too many layers deep).

Edited by Ghandi 2 - December 04 2007 at 03:30

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Posted: December 04 2007 at 16:05

Whew, I'm glad I came back for this one!

In all honesty, I almost posted about this in a very more offensive way, saying that "this isn't the Genesis-Archives" when I saw Selling England By The Pound as album of the week, along with the countless amounts of Genesis posts since I came here. Progressive metal is still indeed progressive music...and as much as most of you don't like it here, I don't think that it should be on the bash-fest of the users who are die hard progressive metal fans. I love progressive metal.

In fact, when I first started listening to progressive, I listened to "In The Court Of The Crimson King." I loved it. I thought it was a masterpiece. Then, I decided to look more into this type of music. Eventually it lead me to Dream Theater. I was at a local music store...and I saw Images And Words in the "top albums" section. I decided to pick it up and give it a listen. I ended up liking Images And Words more than In The Court Of The Crimson King.

After a few thousand listens, I was still impressed because Images And Words was a pure rock album...a classic to come. I had to tell everyone of this "today's music which actually has talent!" Unfortunately for me, everyone was still crapping themselves over American Idiot.

I came on here a few years later after being the individual kid at my school. I thought everybody here would be all over every type of progressive piece of work. However, I was disappointed to see what I have: progressive music being divided and prejudged. It's a matter now of who can be the most pessimistic about any album, and who can be the most optimistic about Genesis (to take it to the next extreme. This is only an opinion.)

I ended up deciding to troll the users here for my amusement instead, knowing that this wasn't going to change. I have had about two administrative warnings about my word censor evasions as well as my hate towards the "cool kids" around here. I took a break from the forums. It gave me time to rethink about what I was doing.

I now come back to see a topic which directly states my opinion about what goes on here. I thank you.

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Posted: December 04 2007 at 17:45

King Crimson776 wrote:

rileydog22 wrote:

King Crimson776 wrote:

Most obscure bands suck, think about it. People try to like it because it's obscure. I remember this thread about bands like Family and Flash and sh*t, and this guy was like, "Dood, Flash is better than Yes." and I'm like

.

Seriously sometimes I get elitist feelings toward the pseudoheads who purposefully listen to obscure music because of it's obscurity, even when it sucks. I'm like, dude, you forgot about good music.

Damn fans of obscure music! How dare they have opinions that differ from King Crimson776? Everybody knows that obscure music is terrible! THEY'RE ALL FAKING IT!

Bad obscure music, like the mediocre 70's bands that wish they were Yes, that is, and all that Avant/RIO sh*t

my case:

1.avant music is rad if done well, in a semi-melodic way.
2. dream theater are good, sometimes a tad overplayed, but they have some seriously good songs as well to make up for that.
3. not every prog band from that era wishes they were yes or king crimson....blah blah.
some of them were just as unique as the originators.
4. elitism is a result of someone being a douche bag about other forms of music they don't like. We are all elitists in some way, because we all have certain opinions about music we don't like and the reasoning behind those reasons would offend someone with different opinions. elitism is just a natural process for anyone who takes music more seriously than the average joe. get over it.

basically in a few words, prog metal owns!

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