What does Dream Theater need ?

one reason I enjoyed Systematic Chaos' lyrics so much is that they did not seem to be taking themselves seriously AT ALL. I mean, basing a story on a manga (In the Presence of Enemies) or a Lovecraftian beast that rises up and destroys things isn't exactly A Change of Seasons . In their live setting at the last show I was at, they didn't seem to be too stiff, and had fun with it throughout. (the animation for The Dark Eternal Night was hysterical)

Edited by heyitsthatguy - November 29 2007 at 21:01

arcer wrote: . Trust things are well with you?

sircosick wrote: ^ Pardon, sir....... but what thing they were doing then?

I believe Dream Theater has to stay just the way they are. A perfect mix of metal and prog. I suggest, let's keep it that way .

The T wrote: DT doesn't need anything. As every band that walks the earth (yes, even mighty VDGG or Magma) they sometimes can release music that sucks.   DT doesn't need anything. If you don't like DT, or hate DT, or when you're listening to DT feel like there's million things you could change, well...I'll tell you this: DT doesn't need anything. It's YOU who need stop listening to DT, as you obviously don't like their music!   It's like I said "What do Sigur Ros need for me to like them?" Well, they need to... turn into a complete different band!     there's some things that can be fixed in some DT songs (or albums, like erase the complete 6DOIT-side ONE) but the band is what it is.

^ "more complex than symphonic prog" ... this could spark some interesting debate which should probably take place in a different thread. But as much as I like Dream Theater I can't really agree with that statement ... I would say that Prog Metal is generally more complex and demanding in terms of musicianship and "dexterity"/"discipline" of the musicians. Classic Symphonic Prog on the other hand can be much more involved in terms of composition and lyrical/musical sophistication. Also, prog metal often uses rather rigid form and song/track structure, while classic symphonic prog is more open to experimentation and generally less "tight" in terms of pre-defined structure.

Anyway: There's no reason to not like both!

They just need to go through some tough times again. Like when they were just writing songs in basements...with the sh*tty feeling of no singer. Some of my favorites are dedications to love ones that passed away. They can't be happy...basically.

Certif1ed wrote: coleio wrote: Certif1ed wrote: sircosick wrote: ^ Pardon, sir....... but what thing they were doing then?   I'm glad you ask... I thought I was the only one who couldn't hear any prog in what they do You must be kidding. How many times to people have to be told you don't like prog metal? It's just tedious now. Yes we get it you like Genesis and want to stay back in the 70's, but times have changed, prog metal exists, it's more complex than symphonic prog and that's one immediate prog attribute. Live with it.   No, you must be kidding.   I have made it very clear a number of times that I have nothing against Prog Metal whatsoever - you're making up your own story here.   I do not want to stay back in the 1970s - your slurs are most unwelcome.   I didn't realise that prog metal exists - thanks for telling me.   ...and what I have heard of it is NOT more complex than symphonic prog - how you can say it is more complex is totally baffling.   I don't need to be told by some voracious prog metal fanboy who thinks that the only good music is prog metal, eats, sleeps and probably craps prog metal that my opinions are somehow wrong.   People have different ideas to you - LIVE WITH IT.

Well Certi....... first of all, have a pair of clappies for that last answer



Now, I ask you: I personally dislike DT but I consider them, anyway, a prog band, in the sense that they are complex (more than symphonic prog? Arguably), they have that epicosity (or epicness?) thing and, in general, there is a permanent use of odd time signatures and countless beat changes..... Then, what does make you state the abscense of prog in DT?

sircosick wrote: Certif1ed wrote: coleio wrote: Certif1ed wrote: sircosick wrote: ^ Pardon, sir....... but what thing they were doing then?   I'm glad you ask... I thought I was the only one who couldn't hear any prog in what they do You must be kidding. How many times to people have to be told you don't like prog metal? It's just tedious now. Yes we get it you like Genesis and want to stay back in the 70's, but times have changed, prog metal exists, it's more complex than symphonic prog and that's one immediate prog attribute. Live with it.   No, you must be kidding.   I have made it very clear a number of times that I have nothing against Prog Metal whatsoever - you're making up your own story here.   I do not want to stay back in the 1970s - your slurs are most unwelcome.   I didn't realise that prog metal exists - thanks for telling me.   ...and what I have heard of it is NOT more complex than symphonic prog - how you can say it is more complex is totally baffling.   I don't need to be told by some voracious prog metal fanboy who thinks that the only good music is prog metal, eats, sleeps and probably craps prog metal that my opinions are somehow wrong.   People have different ideas to you - LIVE WITH IT.     Well Certi....... first of all, have a pair of clappies for that last answer Now, I ask you: I personally dislike DT but I consider them, anyway, a prog band, in the sense that they are complex (more than symphonic prog? Arguably), they have that epicosity (or epicness?) thing and, in general, there is a permanent use of odd time signatures and countless beat changes..... Then, what does make you state the abscense of prog in DT?

sircosick wrote: ^ Is there any need for that? Perhaps not. But metal fanboys as Coleio could also be tolerant enough to pass by such ironic commentaries, couldn't they? You don't have to answer for all those who react so.