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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45581 |
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what's so funny about glam metal in your opinion?
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15550 |
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But I'm not sure how much true left-wing there was in the Labour government, even I can tell that the Danish Socialdemokratic government got some more left-oriented in the '70s when the true left-wing got stronger after the '60s counterculture.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Online Points: 29336 |
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Probably the last left wing government in the UK was under Wilson and Callahan in the 70's. After that it's been right wing/centre politics all the way, and the next (inevitable) Labour government will be centre based under Sir Keir Starmer.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15550 |
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But I might not be that optimistic about the future development, and I doubt, it'll go that way unless some strong forces work for it. |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15550 |
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For those interested in the American Punk, I can recommend the very informative and well-written book about pre-Punk, proto-Punk, Punk Rock, Art Punk and Post-Punk in the years 1961-80, From the Velvets to the Voidoids: A Pre-Punk History for a Post-Punk World (1993) by Clinton Heylin. It's very good about the New York scene and bands like Television, The Ramones, Patti Smith, Talking Heads, Pere Ubu and the early Blondie, while it doesn't include the later West Coast bands like Dead Kennedys and Black Flag. Edited by David_D - December 15 2023 at 04:17 |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15550 |
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One thing more, I don't quite understand your opinion about Grunge. What is it, you don't find to be good there? |
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Grunge has never been my favorite style of music simply because for the most part it is nothing more than a splintering off from pop punk. Bands like Alice In Chains and Soundgarden are my favorite since they were a hybrid of metal and alternative rock. My point was that grunge was a concoction of the music industry and the last major marketing campaign before the whole NAPSTER thing decentralized the music industry. Everything changed around the year 2000 and it no musical style has really been a dominate force ever since. Billboard charts are utterly irrelevant these days and really there is no unifying musical force like there was with grunge. True grunge started in the mid-80s with bands like Green River, Skin Yard and U-Men. With the success of Alice In Chains in 1990 following the new alt rock direction Janes Addiction carved out, the music industry shifted focus from LA glam bands to Seattle grunge. It's really not about liking it or not, it's about observing the behind the scene forces which shoved it down the public's throat. Same with gangsta rap (propagated by the CIA to destabilize the black community) and other styles like pop country (think Garth Brooks). As far as liking it, i've learned to like it more than i used to. I just listened to every Nirvana album a few weeks ago and they were really talented songwriters. I still see the more polished forms of grunge as nothing more than an updated version of pop punk but doesn't mean it didn't appeal to a lot of people at the time which is why it was (is) so popular. Gr(function(){var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'836067fe9e54fb2c',t:'MTcwMjY2MTM0MC4wNDgwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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Okay, so you don't find the post-1990 Grunge to be a genuine movement, but that's then not how I see it, even I find it of course to be promoted and partly shaped by the music industry. |
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^ didn't say it wasn't a real movement. I'm saying it was a manufactured movement and many took the bait. There were much better expressions of alternative rock occurring in the 90s. Grunge was basically for the hipsters who loved pop but needed it dressed up in angst. It was really just a different face of the glam metal scene but in a filthy lumberjack sorta fashion statement way. Ther(function(){var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'8362e8f9ac081568',t:'MTcwMjY4NzU5NC42MTMwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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Hustle and hype.....noise, man - never mind the music, it's bollocks! Loved a lot of the different offshoots of "punk" music, but that album and the short shockwave of Pistolmania.....just don't get it. Lydon's PiL, on the other hand......the only good thing to come of the whole Pistols thing was Johnny Rotten being able to easily get a record deal and cut those groovy early PiL LPs.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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I just listened to the Sex Pistols one and only album today. It really was the perfect punk album for 1977. For my liking it's a perfect 5 star punk masterpiece. Love the vocals, love the attitude, the F.u.c.k. it all lyrical content. Classic! S(function(){var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'83637a899c6915ff',t:'MTcwMjY5MzU1Ni44MDgwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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![]() Edited by David_D - December 16 2023 at 05:14 |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15550 |
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It looks to me that the early American, West Coast Punk was more constructive than the British one, even there were also some left-wing British punks in the '70s.
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The only punk band I ever liked were Blondie, although by the time I started buying their albums, they were no longer a punk band.
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Yeah, it didn't last long and ended before they started releasing albums - and I wouldn't really say, it was Punk even by the early American terms. Edited by David_D - December 16 2023 at 16:24 |
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I unironically enjoy American Idiot by Green Day. It's not really punk, but more like alternative rock with punk overtones. But it's very well made and has incredibly catchy hooks scattered all over the album. My fave track is Homecoming. The "medley"-ish way, in which it is structured reminds me of some prog epics. Really.
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I really enjoy this album.
Holiday in the Sun, Problems and No Feelings are my favorites.
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I was not much for Punk when it came in Britain, but I bought Never Mind somewhere in the first half of the '80s, when it was on sale and I had got a bit more into the genre. I've listened to it a lot of times since, even there've been also many years when I didn't. Today....yeah, you know. Edited by David_D - December 19 2023 at 06:45 |
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About the early American, pre-British Punk, I think it's a good question whether to consider it as a full-blown Punk or only proto-Punk, and then Sex Pistols as the first Punk band proper - which makes Never Mind the first full-blown Punk album? Edited by David_D - December 19 2023 at 10:24 |
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They were just more in your face and very snarly. I always hated stuff like The Ramones personally. They were sort of old style rock n roll but amped up a bit more. That's fine but not very interesting to me. The Pistols were something else entirely and probably even some influence on metal bands like Motorhead.
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