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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I am trying to get a discussion going regarding Operation: Mindcrime.  Anyone interested in participating should visit this thread. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90627
I have never heard that album, to be honest.  I remember my cousin had it, and he was a pretty big fan of the band.  I think my girlfriend in college even had it.  It was kind of everywhere.  How did I miss it.
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Points: 26138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2012 at 11:46
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

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kinda slow here today on PA.  Hoping to get some new data to work with today, but until then I'm just kind of biding my time, but there's not much happening here either.


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Decided to listen to Operation:Mindcrime.  The whole album is on Youtube.  I'm 5 minutes in, and it's pretty good.  Sounds a little like 80s Judas Priest, but with a "prog epic" structure.
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I think that it sometimes gets credited as the first prog metal album.  It predates Dream Theater by a year.  I think that there may be a few others around the same time or a little earlier.  I think that Cynic may have predated them, but I never even heard of them until the last few years.
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To my knowledge, the first prog/tech metal album was Watchtower's Energetic Disassembly.
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That was '85 so it definitely pre-dates Mindcrime.  Queensryche's The Warning was '84 and it has some progressive elements. 
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yay There's a new Arctopus album coming out
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

That was '85 so it definitely pre-dates Mindcrime.  Queensryche's The Warning was '84 and it has some progressive elements.
Haven't heard that one, so you might be right about that. Fates Warning began producing prog metal albums pretty early too, weren't they? I think I read that somehwere.
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Yes.  Night on Brocken was 1984 and The Spectre Within was 1985. 
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Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

That was '85 so it definitely pre-dates Mindcrime.  Queensryche's The Warning was '84 and it has some progressive elements.
Haven't heard that one, so you might be right about that. Fates Warning began producing prog metal albums pretty early too, weren't they? I think I read that somehwere.
Led Zeppelin II is commonly thought of as the first prog metal album.
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Actually the second Rush album could be the first prog metal album, it has some metal moments in it.
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Actually, 21st Century Schizoid Man is probably the first prog metal song. Although, Helter Skelter might be in the running too.
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Schizoid Man was probably the most heaviest thing at it's time, but Helter Skelter isn't any proggy at all.
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Also some stuff on Red is quite metal-ish, like the title track and One More Red Nightmare.
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Points: 12859 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2012 at 12:51
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

That was '85 so it definitely pre-dates Mindcrime. Queensryche's The Warning was '84 and it has some progressive elements.
Haven't heard that one, so you might be right about that. Fates Warning began producing prog metal albums pretty early too, weren't they? I think I read that somehwere.
Led Zeppelin II is commonly thought of as the first prog metal album.
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Not so much a prog metal as proto-metal perhaps? IDK.
 
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Night on Brocken was 1984 and The Spectre Within was 1985.
Savatage released Sirens in 1983, but I guess it was more a metal than a prog metal album? I get the impression that those early prog metal bands didn't get really progressive until around 1985 or so, so I guess that's about when prog metal started?
 
Originally posted by Undercover Man Undercover Man wrote:

Also some stuff on Red is quite metal-ish, like the title track and One More Red Nightmare.
21st Century Man and some tracks from Red were proto-metal, sure. KC was always ahead of their time. Didn't someone say something like "if you want to know what music sounds like in the future, listen to King Crimson"?


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