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micky
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 05:10 | |||||||
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micky
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 05:23 | |||||||
game changer? I do think it was Scott.. but not for the reasons you are touching on here. Not the electorate at large. Trump has his core support. Roughly a third of the population. Where he won, or more to the point.. where Hillary lost.. was in battle for the middle third of the electorate. Those that hated both of them but saw Hillary as the status quo.. and Trump the agent of change. If the polls are to be believed.. Trump's support has cratered among those.. but it wasn't Charlottesville that did it.. it has going on for months. If he doesn't regain them... he gets crushed 1964 Goldwater style who only had the votes of racists and bigots. They exist here... but nowhere near enough to win elections at a national level. Where I do think it was a game changer.. was pure and simple.. . was whether he survives politically. When you have Republicans... Republicans that stood on the sidelines previously regarding his past outrages haha.. finally come out and question his judgment, temperament and the COMPETENCE to be President.. that means yes.. it was a game changer. Which means unless things change very quickly... the notion of the Republicans impeaching him if and when Mueller comes out with his findings is much more real today than it was a week ago.
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micky
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 05:39 | |||||||
true that... but what has trumped the 1st Amendment. Always has.. always will. Is public safety.. no one is getting thrown in jail for hate speach... one can not shout fire in a crowded movie theater.. you can in the street and not get tossed into jail by the 'politically correct'..... a simple comparison.. but an accurate one. Denying permits to those that preach hate is not infringing upon their free speech or their first amendment rights it is protecting public safety. You have the right to free speach... you do not have the right to exerciseit in any and all circumstances. the thing many seem to forget.... the other side of the coin with one's rights.. is the responsibility that comes with exercising those rights. So vividly shown in 2016 by non bigoted, racist Trump voters hahah. Agenet of change? Oh yeah he has been that.. .just not what you might have hoped with your eyes closed and your f**king heads in the sand. So you didn't like Hillary.. and you thought a good idea electing a rich misogynist, racist, reality TV star and otherwise failed business leader with no experience, and zero temperament who ran a campaign based upon hate and division to be the champion... or even care.. about the peons he has shown zero regard for.. until stumping for their votes. with rights.. comes the duty to exercise them responsibly.
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mathman0806
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 6443 |
Posted: August 19 2017 at 06:32 | |||||||
Playing the game of dick wack dope. 5 x's and you ein. |
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micky
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 06:46 | |||||||
Nah... See the guy who looks like he stepped right off the top of a wedding cake...
he was the important X. The whole lot of the others.. including Trump.. buffoons. Dangerous in their own way... but limited to what they could do by their own buffoonery, inexperience. As the last 7 months have shown... cleaning up after Bush took all Obama could do... cleaning up after Trump.. piece of cake. His damage is more to the social fabric of the nation rather than anything he actually does himself assuming he keeps us out of a Asiatic War. Pence though is a true domestic danger... and why again Trump is gone next year if Mueller finds what we suspect he will find. Trump was not part of the Republican Party.. nor was truly supported by it ...he simply took it over.. and is f**king up their brand name. Pence though.. he is one of them... and a very dangerous right wing fundie social activist. Something Trump is not. Unless Trump does a complete 180 and things continue as they have. Trump will be gone if Mueller gives Congress political cover with their own voters to save their own asses for the midterms and attempt to preserve any chance of winning in 2020.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 06:51 | |||||||
I am sick and tired of our politics at the moment. The Stephanie Miller Show always cheers me up. A little at least. http://https://www.stephaniemiller.com/
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micky
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 06:59 | |||||||
good god man.... I can't get enough of it myself. This is history we are living in. Nothing like it before in 250 years before... hopefully nothing like it in the next 250. This was the VERY reason the founding fathers made the electoral college.. for when the ignorant uninformed masses f**k up royally and elect something that had no business being elected if one voted responcibly. Just happened well after it exceeded it's practical lifespan. Imagine the books ... all the books to come out of this. We are living it... others will merely read it.
The grandkids of our kids will be reading about these days... and probably having the same reaction many of us do.... what the f**k was 'Trump voter' thinking that fateful day in November 2016.
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micky
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 07:52 | |||||||
^ in fact to add to that sense of history we are living in.
One can easily say that in terms of the President himself and the nation around him.... that only after 7 months Trump has already moved past 43 past Presidents .. only behind Lincoln himself as the most historically important US Presidents. Will Clinton, Bush, Kennedy.. even FDR be studied intensely many many years down the road. No.. not like Lincoln... nor Trump. Not surprisingly both involve the division of this country. We were at a crossroads as a nation under Lincoln and arrived at it due to his election.. and we are that as well under Trump. That place in history that unlike other Presidents is merely continuing down paths previously established... but are firm places due to them from which the future and where this country goes are quite uncertain. This is history man... and we are not merely audiences to it. But part of it ourselves.
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HackettFan
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 08:27 | |||||||
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A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)
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rushfan4
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 08:36 | |||||||
I read far too many comment sections on CNN and other news websites. The more real argument that is made is if "black lives matter" so much why do they only show up when there is death by police officer. In the city of Detroit numerous blacks are murdered each and every day. Chicago is a war zone. More blacks die in Chicago then soldiers in the war on ISIS. Where are the black lives matter folks then? If black lives matter so much why are they not protesting these murders? Personally, I was raised to believe that the police are the good guys, and I still think that this is true. I have no idea what the true story is behind all of the police officers shooting black people. Almost every story that I have seen has involved a black man breaking the law and being shot by a police officer who was doing his or her job. Police brutality? Excessive force? Fearing for their own lives? Unlike the gang bangers who are killing each other without a second thought, I am pretty sure that every one of these police officers who may feel justified in what they have done, would if given a second chance tried to have found a way to have tried to end things differently. I agree that most of these men did not commit a crime that deserved for them to be executed, but if they hadn't been committing the crime that brought them to the police's attention then the events that occurred resulting in their deaths wouldn't have happened. Forgive my possible naïve point of view, but I don't think that I am alone in this point of view. I think that this is mostly the white point of view. Don't get me wrong. I agree 100% that black lives matter as much as all lives matter. It makes me sad that anybody would kill anybody else. And I think that it is sad that each of these situations resulted in someone's death. Anyhow I'm going off the rails on a very touchy subject. I don't think that I have said anything too radical but just trying to provide a counter point of view. |
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Easy Money
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 11:46 | |||||||
^ I am not what you would call anti-police at all. As a trouble making youth I had plenty of first hand experience with police officers, and I was often impressed with their patience and professionalism, but its well known in the black community that there are police officers who have an agenda against blacks, and officers who are straight up KKK.
This has been well documented in recent times via amateur videos and police dash cam videos etc. One video I can recall specifically shows an officer in South Carolina executing an older black man in the back as he tried to run. Another recent video shows an officer punching a black man in the head after he is handcuffed and pinned to the ground. This is all the more unfortunate as it makes it even harder for the good cops to do their job. Edited by Easy Money - August 19 2017 at 12:00 |
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HackettFan
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 11:50 | |||||||
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Easy Money
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 11:54 | |||||||
^ make the Republicans oust him if he gets that bad, a premature impeachment process will be bad for the Dems.
I'm an independent, by the way. |
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micky
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 11:57 | |||||||
^ again... bingo. I assume most of you aint' black... and knowing most of you generally. You aint' from the south. Racism.. is VERY much alive. Whites aren't shot for being white... blacks still are.
Black lives do matter (as much as any). the Problem, though I won't single any out, I've seen the comments here. Yes, they can and through history have been self defeating. Rioting and sh*tting where they live can be counterproductive.. but it still doesn't change the fact they have a valid point and one worhty of support, even among the honkiest of honkies who were born with a human trait SO lacking today. Empathy.. to say nothing of a sense of history of just how badly those people have been f**ked up the ass by us as honkie and our f**king government. I understand the anger even if occasionally shaking my head at the means they show it. Doesn't change the fact that unless you are a bigot or racist yourself... you should be 100% behind that movement. All lives matter just as much, and the simple fact... proven more times than one can count over our history and still today.. black lives matter less to the 'man in charge' than whites. That simply isn't right man... and against what should make this country great. What makes this country great isn't our ecomonic power.. nor our mililitary power.. it should be our moral power. One set out in the formation of this country.. but one unfortunately that has never fully been applied to its own people.
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micky
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 12:15 | |||||||
as Ive often said.... it won't be Democrats that impeach Trump. Pelosi and Schumer know that score.. better to survive the 2 or 3 remaining years of Trump than the 2 or 3 years of damage that Pence can do. He should, and among many, does scare people more than Trump. The only way Pence scares us less is not being slave to his temper, anger, and absolute lack of any self reflection and discipline. It is for North Korea and a war that will kill millions at a bare minimum... that we might want the calculating professional pol that is Pence over the fly by the seat of his pants domestic and geopolitical amateur that is Trump. Domestically though.. nothing scares me more than 46 Pence. Granted even Indiana was about to kick him to the curve.... a perfect exaample of the right wing social lunacy that still grips that party. However unlike Trump seems to be heading.. he actually would work with Congress to set this country back decades legislatively which will make the 2020 Democratic President's job all the harder. Instead of moving us forward as a society and nation as Obama was uniquely positioned to do.. they'll be forced to expand significant amounts of time and political capital merely hit reset and clean up the messes of their predecessor.
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HackettFan
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Posted: August 19 2017 at 13:49 | |||||||
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micky
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Posted: August 20 2017 at 07:00 | |||||||
King Trump? What do you say everyone? LOVE IT!!! Though he misses the important point which complicates the whole situation.... what do we do with Pence?
Great points about 'Trump voter' btw... |
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 20 2017 at 13:28 | |||||||
I did mean that literally. When we finally got around the school integration in the 70s (literally my parents were alive holy sh*t) white people just moved. Out of cities, into farther suburbs, re-segregate ourselves. School segregation is now worse than it was in 1968! Ironically I believe the situation is best in the south, (where this was actually enforced) its worst in the midwest and especially northeast. And then for decades "dont see dont think about it" Heard a fascinating podcast on the matter, how even integration itself had racial biases. We never integrated the teachers first, (in fact integration was just used as an excuse to fire thousands of black teachers) so now: kids are thrown into this extremely difficult situation with no support. The teachers and parents couldnt get used to it slowly, we just threw it all together. Kinda like how we just ended reconstruction at the first possible moment (The Party of Lincoln sold out by 1877) and never took the long steps to slowly integrate economically, educate, ya know build up. We just throw sh*t together, say "whew done with that" and carry on. So yeah no surprise we dont think about it. Spend all our history trying to keep it at arms length and not think about it Well, I dont think its more accurate, like I said thats already what it basically means just people dont get that.... I suppose it could be made clearer by saying black lives matter too, but should they really have to? If people are racist enough (or dense enough) to not get what it means, or be that offended at the thought: black lives matter...why cater to em? Hope is probably lost on them anyway
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 20 2017 at 13:33 | |||||||
Oh absolutely. The Dems will look like the GOP of the late 90s. Which is bullsh*t, they have very very legitimate reasons to try and impeach Trump while they tried on Clinton just to oust him, but that's how people will see it unfortunately. It will drive people back into their camps of party politics. Agreed....we have to live with him and if its gunna happen the GOP will need to do it. Which I still think (hear me out) is not such a bad thing. Trump is ruining the GOP. They will suffer long as hes in the WH, and frankly he will get much less done than Pence. Trump bumbling, stumbling, tweeting himself to oblivion is good for the Dems all around. It also forces the GOP to keep playing this game of balancing supporting/criticizing him which is getting more and more difficult with this nazi stuff. |
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JJLehto
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Posted: August 20 2017 at 13:41 | |||||||
Yeah few are actually "anti police" I'd say most people are supportive of police. We just accept that some are racist, which as you point out is not remotely new or shocking. We dont want chaos, cops being killed, any of that. We're the normal ones, its the right who has (again surely due to racial biases) concocted this image that its 100 or 0. You either support the police (which means not even have a slightly negative breath around them and defend them to the death no matter what) or you are an anarchist radical who wants mobs shooting cops. Doesnt help that the police community seems to generally support each other instead of just ousting bad ones (but sadly this is normal). And like you say this does make it harder for good cops. We are completely realistic, it's these daddy state conservative types that are the problem. But again thats nothing new, they've been wooed by this type stuff since the days of Nixon. Related to one of my above points om how Trump is a cynical way good for the Dems. His support is currently below 40% in PA, WI, and MIhttp://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/trump-s-approval-rating-stands-below-40-percent-three-key-n794061 Now, nothing is ever in stasis especially these days, who knows how little itll take to scare em back to GOP but I'm hopeful they have seen their error and, assuming the candidate isn't dreadful and the Dems have a real economic platform, hopefully 2018 and esp 2020 is swinging to us
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