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OK, I need some advice on how best to present the information before I attempt the next one in the list: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36702.

Info is available at Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/release/2041857-Michael-Mantler-Carla-Bley-13-34, https://www.discogs.com/master/201352-Michael-Mantler-Carla-Bley-13-34, and also at RYM, but it looks like there are approximately 60 musicians involved in the two orchestras. Shocked

I can sort all this out into the usual PA format (using the RYM info, since I spotted an error in the Discogs pages, where Paul Moen's and Nicholas Pike's names have been swapped over in the credits) but it would result in a huge, long list in the Line-up / Musicians section, and I'm not sure if that field would accept it without throwing up an error and deleting the page ID (as has happened before when large amounts of text have been entered in the Releases information section). It looks as though the final credits listing would run to somewhere around 1000 characters, and that has certainly been too many for the Releases information section to cope with in the past.

Would it be acceptable to just enter the credits like this instead:

Side A:
- Orchestra One / 3 flutes, 3 soprano saxophones, 3 alto saxophones (etc, etc)
- Orchestra Two / 4 flutes, 3 oboes, 3 clarinets (etc, etc)
- Connecting Piano

Side B:
- Orchestra / 1 alto flute, 1 oboe, 1 clarinet (etc, etc)
- Solo Piano

as shown in this image on the Discogs page?

A note could be added that the two orchestras on side A included around 60 musicians, and it would be far too many to list (a hyperlink to the Discogs page could then be included saying: See HERE for details.

Also, this album is actually a split with Carla Bley, since each artist is represented by one whole side of the album, so that will need indicating somehow on the Michael Mantler page, and does the album also need to have a separate, duplicated entry on the Carla Bley page? Ermm

Sorry for so many questions lol! Embarrassed


- E&O Team: Thanks, David, done. 
In a shorter way. I think even if there are no more limits for Line-up info listing about 60 musicians would be too much, because nobody will read it. Smile

According to PA rules (or tradition) duplications are a deadly sin. I'll add cross-references on both artists' pages instead.
Additionally this album, strictly speaking, is not a split, because both musicians play both pieces.


Edited by NotAProghead - 8 hours 24 minutes ago at 17:49
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

- E&O Team: Thanks, David! 
It took some time to sort the contents of your post out. I think mentioned pages done now.
Everything looks good to me now Eugene, apart from the artist photo on the Infinite Monopoly page, which is displayed on the page with the two photos that I joined together aligned one above the other rather than side by side (as shown in my original post).

This has resulted in a very large and long image on the page (probably as a result of M@X's recent alterations to the page formatting of the main site) with a huge amount of unnecessary white space in between the biography and the rest of the page, and not all of the photo being visible in the browser window (I'm viewing it in Microsoft Edge on Windows 10 at the moment, since my usual Chrome browser is still using the cache of the old photo). I think the page would look a lot better if the photo of the two guys was changed for the one with them aligned side by side. The photo would be much reduced in size on the page if this was done, and most if not all of that unnecessary white space would disappear. Embarrassed

David, I thought the photo would look too small in "horizontal layout". Now I've changed it as you initially suggested. Surprisingly it looks pretty good even to my eyes. Smile
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^ Yes, the image aligns perfectly with the biography now. Smile I think M@X has actually made a big mistake with this 'new format', and how it affects images on the site. David (Atavachron) brought this up in a thread I started back in mid-February when I was getting intermittent errors loading PA artist pages.

The enlarged photos since M@X made his tweak to the way pages on the main site were presented does no favours whatsoever to some of the artists that were added back in the very early days, when dial-up Internet was still very much the norm, bandwidth was at a premium, and the images that were available on many websites at that time were VGA quality at best. Many of these images that were used on those early-added artist pages are really small, and although they appeared reasonable the way they were presented before M@X made his tweak, now that they are being considerably enlarged, some of them look quite poor to say the least.

The other problem, as we have just seen, is where two 'portrait style' photos are stacked one above the other to create a single image that's even more portrait style (as sometimes happens when the photo of a young version of a long standing artist is combined with a more up to date one on their page). When this image is 'blown up' by M@X's new format it can result in the image stretching a long way down the page, and if the biography is only very brief, a lot of white space being introduced on the right hand side of the page.

This is one tweak that I think M@X should seriously consider rolling back. There was nothing wrong with the way images were displayed to begin with, so I don't really understand why he did this. Confused

Edit: The other thing I forgot to mention is that we also get enlarged album photos since the tweak to the main site was done, and besides some of these images also looking poor when 'blown up' by the new format, we only get four on a row now instead of the five we used to get, and for artists with massive discographies this can create a very long page indeed.


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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Maybe Julien needs to run his script over the album database and compile a list of all the albums that this fellow has added, since if these ones I've seen tonight are anything to go by it could reveal quite a large can of worms.

I also think it would be helpful to check additions made by Chris S (Chris S).

There are 94 albums added by Chris S.
Most of them are pretty OK; I've seen worse.
But we can take a look at them...



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^ Had a very quick look at the first 15 of those. About half of them have already been updated by José or yourself, but all the ones that remain untouched have no total time and no brackets around the individual track times for starters. The releases information is probably incomplete in most of those too.

Thanks for running this check. Definitely worth taking a closer look at these when sufficient time is available, I think.

Edit: Five of them further down the list we've already repaired, as they were in your other list of albums needing more urgent attention. I'll look at all of them quickly in a short while, and make a separate list of all the ones that have already been dealt with by a member of the E&O team, so that the main list can be reduced down to just Chris's unmodified album entries.


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Album https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=30821 is now done from Julien's original list of 52. Info was on Discogs all along, but I didn't manage to find it before. Embarrassed

See also: http://magaibutsu.com/mgb/history-2007/ (scroll down to July).

- E&O Team: Thanks, David, crossed in Julien's list.


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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

...it would result in a huge, long list in the Line-up / Musicians section, and I'm not sure if that field would accept it without throwing up an error and deleting the page ID (as has happened before when large amounts of text have been entered in the Releases information section). It looks as though the final credits listing would run to somewhere around 1000 characters, and that has certainly been too many for the Releases information section to cope with in the past.
It looks as though the Line-up / Musicians section doesn't have the same limited maximum character count that the Releases information section does, so we might get away with entering the full orchestra info after all. 

This album by Bjork has around a 40-piece orchestra playing on it, resulting in a character count of just over 1600. The Releases information section would certainly not have coped with a character count as high as that.
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

...I'll look at all of them quickly in a short while, and make a separate list of all the ones that have already been dealt with by a member of the E&O team, so that the main list can be reduced down to just Chris's unmodified album entries.
These albums of Chris have all been put right by other collaborators (with the vast majority being done by the E&O team):


That's 64 albums already fixed. Approve

The only ones that still need a bit of tlc when time permits are these:


I make that just 30 albums. Smile
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

^ After two years, I'm happy to announce that the issue (�) is finally resolved — at least, I think so! If you notice any other anomalies, feel free to mention them here. I can reach out to M@X fairly quickly.
On all album pages, at the bottom, in the PROGARCHIVES REVIEWS GUIDELINES section, we have this:

1 - Write in ENGLISH, we regret that we cannot accept reviews in other languages. Avoid the use of on-line translators wherever possible, they will not do justice to your efforts. Do not use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS in your reviews, standard sentence case should be used at all times. Do not use abbreviations or ï¿½texting� language. Remember to check your review for spelling, grammar and punctuation. A poorly presented review can distract the reader from the well written content. Reviews accepted should be a MINIMUM 100 words preferably substantially more, no maximum.

Not a big issue really, since it doesn't affect any of our work on here, but maybe M@X would like to get rid of this last remaining (hopefully lol!) bit of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics from the site? LOL

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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:


- E&O Team: Thanks, David, done. 
In a shorter way. I think even if there are no more limits for Line-up info listing about 60 musicians would be too much, because nobody will read it. Smile

According to PA rules (or tradition) duplications are a deadly sin. I'll add cross-references on both artists' pages instead.
Additionally this album, strictly speaking, is not a split, because both musicians play both pieces.
Thanks for taking care of this album, Eugene. Thumbs Up
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Also done in Julien's list:

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=37172.

Track list was missing in each case, just had "unknown" written there.

Info taken from:

In all cases, details of actual instruments played is not available.


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