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The T
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 12:49 | ||
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Catcher10
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:01 | ||
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Dean
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:04 | ||
Of course if you really want to widen the soundstage you simply move your speakers further apart, using a subwoofer to create the illusion of moving them is a compromise, then moving the speakers too far will destroy the balanced stereo image that the record producer created, so again we have a compromise. This is one of the problems of using big systems in small spaces. Like José, I don't like subwoofers in the home environment (forcing subsonics is artifical and not something I think is necessary), though I have built several (sealed and ported) and have used them in ICE systems, but there they serve a different purpose.
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Padraic
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:04 | ||
Perhaps that's the ultimate fate of CDs: to end up as much of a "niche" medium as vinyl.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:09 | ||
Clarity involves instrument separation, soundstage precision (qualities that Jean marie pointed out when he came) and transparency evoke details and micro details to me. My system has both qualities.
(good) Valves add nothing more to the signal than solidstate, it just subjectively reproduces low medium, mids, highs and extreme highs (the parts of the spectrum the ear is most sensitive to) much more naturally than solidstate. Solidstate adds its own sound signature to the signal which can be described mainly as stiff and electronic. Of course some solidstate sound more or less tube-like, but there's no comparison and it's often at the price of recessed highs. BTW i can recommend these french hybrid integrated amps (only 2 entry tubes, a good compromise, even if doesn't sound as magic as a full-tube amp and not as punchy as a bi amp setup with good solidstate power amp). Kora Explorer http://www.kora.net/ And the power amps are much better If you want good sound and have to have only one amp, it must be tube or hybrid in order to have great highs...and then you can add a sub for deep and powerful lows. The subwoofer adds nothing, it just reproduces extreme lows freq that are not reproduced on other systems. It would mean as well that to add a super-tweeter to a system "adds" something to the signal and it's not the case. |
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The T
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:18 | ||
One might like subwoofers or not but they do add something that other drivers can't reproduce and that the human ear can hear (or the body can feel). Super tweeters on the other hand can't be neither felt nor heard, so what's the purpose?
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Dean
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:19 | ||
Meh, I'm not a fan of hybrid amps - they're okay in guitar amps (the Marshal Valvestate for example), but there the valve is designed to be overdriven to produce soft clipping - not a feature you really want in a hi-fi amp.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:20 | ||
What i mean is that the differences from one record to another is huge: some sound extraodinary good, other are bad, it's extremey revealant and it can be a problem with the over compression trend. If there's something bad, it'll be heard but as for the (rare) real good ones...those who are natural and not bumped, like the one in my signature. So it can be a problem because it reveals how "trafficked" "rock" CDs are. Whereas a more coloured and less neutral system will make all records sound a little the same. That's something happening when you do a big upgrade on the system: this record will reveal its limits while another one will reveal how well balanced and musical it is. Edited by oliverstoned - September 13 2011 at 13:22 |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:21 | ||
What is to avoid is CD decks with tube outputs. |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:24 | ||
False, you underestimate human perception, that's what made engineers choose only a 16 bits resolution. |
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The T
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:52 | ||
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Dean
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 15:37 | ||
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Padraic
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 15:41 | ||
What does this frequency limit have to do with quantization/dynamic range? |
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Dean
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 17:21 | ||
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 18:44 | ||
Oh yeah, well I preordered 5 CDs and no LPs even though LPs were an option for some of them. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Catcher10
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Posted: September 13 2011 at 19:06 | ||
^ At least you bought some music.....that's the point
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 14 2011 at 04:31 | ||
It modifies the perception of the whole sepctrum and has an effect on extreme low, as sub does on extreme highs. |
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Dean
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Posted: September 14 2011 at 05:01 | ||
Keep going, I'm all ears...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 14 2011 at 05:05 | ||
Remove your fingers first
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Dean
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Posted: September 14 2011 at 05:33 | ||
That "joke" grew very old very quickly.
So, please explain how and why a supertweeter should/could/does alter our perception of the whole audio spectrum - I interested in hearing your answer.
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