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Posted: May 30 2012 at 02:24
Dayvenkirq wrote:
OK, how about this: my mother keeps listening to this guy Phillip Phillips from the American Idol, and she keeps listening to him out loud, and she even sent me an e-mail with a link to his performance. That's just being obtrusive.
BTW, she enjoys Whitney Houston and, yeah, those freaking songs done by Phillip Phillips. She doesn't seem to care much for The Beatles. She heard Yes' "Your Move/I've Seen All Good People" several times and wasn't really impressed. She was very annoyed with Argent's "Hold Your Head Up". I played on YouTube that piano bit Tony Banks played during an interview that back in the day became the theme for the piano and flute from "Firth of Fifth", and she is all like, phlegmatically: "That's easy to play". Nor was she impressed with Banks' keyboard work in the intro of "The Lamb" (the title track): "Oh, yeah, that's tough to play". She also doesn't seem to care much for that famous memorable guitar line from SOYCD where the drums start.
Oh, and yeah, I played Popol Vuh's "Ah!" off of "Hosianna Mantra" and PF's "A Saucerful of Secrets" (the title track), and she commented: "Madman's music".
Please, somebody help me out to get her freaking mind off of the freaking Phillip Phillips. It's becoming a real problem now.
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 03:32
I highly suggest you not to start with Avant-prog and Eclectic Prog, as she will be extremely disappointed. Especially, avoid Larks' (Part I and II), I mainly do not recommend King Crimson for start, but if you really want that, Epitaph or In The Wake of The Poseidon would be much better than others KC tracks which are much complex.
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 03:38
TRY the following I would say as an intro to Prog.
I would say from my prog experience that there are 7 wonders of the prog world in the way of songs: Van Der Graaf Generator's 'A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers', Yes' 'Close To The Edge', ELP's 'Karn Evil 9', King Crimson's '21st Century Schizoid Man', Pink Floyd's 'Shine On', Rush's '2112', and Genesis' 'Supper's Ready'.
The seven wonders of the prog world in the way of albums are similar as far as I am concerned: Van Der Graaf Generator's "Pawn Hearts", Yes' "Close To The Edge", ELP's "Brain Salad Surgery", King Crimson's "In The Court of The Crimson King", Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of The Moon", Jethro Tull's "Thick As A Brick", and Genesis' "Foxtrot".
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - May 30 2012 at 03:39
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 03:48
^ Out of all these I would seriously consider DSOTM and "Shine On" (since my mother grew up with the latter, although time passed by and she didn't seem to be very enthused with it).
A little refresher:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
... something that's NOT ELECTRIC-guitar driven, something abundant with melody, something that has meaningful (profound, but not in a cheesy or commonsensical way) lyrics and doesn't [necessarily] demonstrate instrumental prowess so much.
I don't want to convert her [my mother] (I hate the word in this context, 'cause we are not religious fanatics), I just want her to understand the genre to at least a slight extent.
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 04:08
Theres always a Prog compilation
this one is not the ultimate by any means but theres enough on here to show what you can expect in the Prog genre
one of the cheapest and the best is
This is a unique 2 CD compilation packed with masterpieces of the progressive rock genres from EMI, Century Media and Super Ball's catalogues.
Includes original legends of the genre such as Jethro Tull, Barclay James Harvest, Van Der Graaf Generator Steve Hackett and contemporary stars such as including Oceansize, The Flower Kings, Riverside and The Tangent.
The Tracklist has been compiled with the help of Classic Presents Prog magazine’s editor, Jerry Ewing, who also contributed the sleeves notes. With an affordable low price, Prog Rocks offers a broad insight into the delights of progressive music!
Tracklisting
1. Cross Eyed Mary - Jethro Tull 2. Darkness (11/11) [2005 - Remaster] - Van Der Graaf Generator 3. Sympathy - Rare Bird 4. Bird Has Flown (2000 - Remaster) - Deep Purple 5. Country Pie / Brandenburg Concerto No. 6 (Live) [2009 - Remaster] - The Nice 6. Mocking Bird (2002 - Remaster) - Barclay James Harvest 7. If There Is Something (1999 - Remaster) - Roxy Music 8. Look At Me Now (2001 - Remaster) - Electric Light Orchestra 9. I Never Glid Before (2004 - Remaster) - Gong 10. The Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear In Smoke) [1996 - Remaster] - Hawkwind 11. Madhouse - Eloy 12. Ace Of Wands (2005 - Remaster) - Steve Hackett 13. The Yes No Interlude - Hatfield And The North 14. On Reflection - Gentle Giant
1. Rubycon (Part One) [Excerpt] [2000 - Remaster] - Tangerine Dream 2. Blue (2008 - Remaster) - Kevin Ayers 3. Garden Party (1997 - Remaster) - Marillion 4. Dance Through The Fire - Pallas 5. Trail Of Fire - Oceansize 6. Monkey Business - The Flower Kings 7. Black Light Machine - Frost 8. A Crisis In Mid Life - The Tangent 9. Comatose - Ayreon 10. Future Perfect Tense - Sweet Billy Pilgrim 11. Frequency - IQ 12. Tightrope - Beardfish 13. The Wasteland - ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 05:45
Here's a related anecdote.
So, after holding on for a long time in order to give her a decent education in 60s/70s classic rock and folk, I finally let my girlfriend listen to ITCOTCK yesterday. I kept telling her to be receptive to the huge break it meant from '60s music, and I even made a preliminary playlist for that day consisting of '68/early '69 albums (Rolling Stones, Beatles, Zeppelin, Jeff Beck, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Van Morrison, Pretty Things, etc.) - only to realize, while listening to ITCOTCK, that the affinities are stronger than the break, in fact, and the break is in details that will only be better revealed with hindsight (getting to know '70s prog and the direction that KC later took).
She loved it and asked why the hell did I keep it hidden for so long.
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 13:06
harmonium.ro wrote:
Here's a related anecdote.
So, after holding on for a long time in order to give her a decent education in 60s/70s classic rock and folk, I finally let my girlfriend listen to ITCOTCK yesterday. I kept telling her to be receptive to the huge break it meant from '60s music, and I even made a preliminary playlist for that day consisting of '68/early '69 albums (Rolling Stones, Beatles, Zeppelin, Jeff Beck, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Van Morrison, Pretty Things, etc.) - only to realize, while listening to ITCOTCK, that the affinities are stronger than the break, in fact, and the break is in details that will only be better revealed with hindsight (getting to know '70s prog and the direction that KC later took).
She loved it and asked why the hell did I keep it hidden for so long.
Thanks for the story. She genuinely meant that? 'Cause I wasn't there, and you know better. Seriously, she liked it?
... I don't know if that's gonna work for my mother. I might put on "I Talk to the Wind", "Epitaph" (risky business), "The Court -//-" (an even riskier business).
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 16:43
^ I didn't know Magma ventured into the world of New-Wavy synth pop. Wow .
About the songs presented: I don't think she would be pleased with the monotonicity of the former and the weirdness of the latter.
Speaking of weirdness: I played "More Songs About Buildings And Food" to her ... she hated that too! I tried to explain to her the meaning of the lyrics on "Found A Job", and she wasn't impressed with them. She found them cheap! ??? (I know it's only prog-related, but it's just a little hint for ya.)
Fox On The Rocks wrote:
Dayvenkirg, how about putting on Crime Of The Century or some Barclay James Harvest for your mother? That seems to fit your descriptions.
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 17:06
I went into prog by listening to A Passion Play wich I consider a real masterpiece but I guess Selling England By the Pound would be a better starting point for it is prog, it is a masterpiece and it is a classic.
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 23:07
That Magma experiment did not go well with her, and I wouldn't suggest
anyone try it. But I did do that as a bit of a lark when she was a
passenger in my car. Her favourite band was Bon Jovi.
As for my strife, she likes very little that I have exposed to her
(unless one counts exposing myself -- I don't mean that in a crude way,
but more in an exposing me as a criminal sort of way -- I kid as she's
very kind and considerate), but she does like GG's Aspirations somewhat,
but she loved Think of me With Kindness. She liked plenty of
Harmonium, some PFM, and she liked Mellow Candle's Swaddling Songs
(included in Prog Folk), especially this one, even if it's a pop song:
She loves this:
And this:
As for my mum (again while in my car):
She enjoyed Aranis and U-Totem. She's only really into classical (she especially likes the romantics) music (and some jazz), and does not like rock, so I catered the music to her tastes. I also tried some other music with her that was art/ academic music leaning, but she found it far too dissonant, at the point of chaotic, which surprised me because I found it pleasantly harmonious (but my ears are more used to that kind of music so what sounds chaotic to her may sound very structured/ orderly to me). Yet she enjoys a fair amount of the avant-garde art music of the first half of the 20th century, so I think her brain just wasn't processing the harmonic structures quite right at the time.
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Dayvenkirq wrote:
... I don't know if that's gonna work for my mother. I might put on "I Talk to the Wind", "Epitaph" (risky business), "The Court -//-" (an even riskier business).
That seems to fit your descriptions.
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That seems to fit your descriptions. 