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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 16:33
Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

 

This is interesting, I've read similar things before about artists not listening to other music much, or even at all.  Steven Wilson seems to listen to a pretty fair amount of music (though not much prog, by prog archives standards anyway) and he seems able, at least on his latest album, to come up with very interesting and original music.

I'm an amateur musician myself, and have been playing for 25 years or so.  Yet I'm able to find quite a bit of modern prog (and other genre's as well) that I love as much, and in some cases more, than the 70's stuff.  To be honest, I find I can't really listen to most of the "big" 70's prog bands anymore because I've heard their albums so many times I can hear them in their entirety in my head with every nuance in place (except Gentle Giant, I still pull them out and listen to their stuff and still keep finding little things I'd not noticed before).  I still do pull things out occasionally, but find that my mind wanders.  They just don't have the impact on me they used to, while I find newer stuff that does (and, thanks to this site, some very old stuff I never heard before that does as well).

I could give examples I suppose (Altair actually listed a couple earlier in the thread), but I'm not sure it matters.  You've likely heard of them if you are a regular here, and probably don't like them.

I understand the idea that people don't think there is anything anywhere near as good as the bands from the 70's were able to do.  I used to think that myself.  Luckily for me, tastes and attitudes change, and I keep finding stuff that moves me in exactly the same way as when I first discovered Yessongs or Tarkus.  Lucky me, I guess.

Actually, it is quite common for gigging & professional musicians to eschew listening to much new music, to avoid being influenced!  Fripp once told John McLaughlin that "he avoided listening to Mahavishnu Orchestra because he didn't want to be seduced by it."  I understand the sentiment.  

In my case, I'm a very casual listener, and if I hear something that is particularly interesting, I gravitate towards it.  I found NeBeLNeST to be absolutely brilliant in their Chicago gig, back in 1999, and I seek out obscure gems like "Self Contained" by Peter Banks (he shames Steve Vai!!  Not bad for an old foggie!!).   Ozric Tentacles is somewhat interesting, and Ray Bennett's newest work with Flash (someday, to be released I hope) has a fresh approach to an old soound.   I also like Blackmore's Night, and believe that this is a very progressive approach to some old musical styles.   

However, for the bands that seem to excite folks on PA, I don't see the attraction.....it's just me, I'm sure these bands have much talent & excite their many fans.  But, I hear no Bill Bruford in the mix, no Patrick Moraz, no Bob Fripp....and I'm still waiting!!  




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 17:26
I thought the big 4 were Magma, Henry Cow, Univers Zero and Art Zoyd
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 17:36
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

There are approximately 200 albums I like more than Close to the Edge. There are approximately 450 albums I like more than Foxtrot. There are approximately 600 albums I like more than Brain Salad Surgery. There are approximately 750 albums I like more than Permanent Waves, 2112, or Hemispheres. These numbers aren't falsified. I could name most all of them for you. I have a list.

Without trying to be deliberately rude, please don't. We don't care. So you don't like what other people like. Woop de doo, get over it. It doesn't make you special.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 17:40
^ well, that was rude
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 17:44
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

^ well, that was rude

But not deliberately rude


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 17:47
Isn't trying deliberately redundant anyway? Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 18:02
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Isn't trying deliberately redundant anyway? Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 18:11
I don't like or dislike music based on others' interests. Pink Floyd's my favorite band - nobody on earth could call them an 'underground' artist or an 'elitist' band and be terribly correct. Sure, some folks could take Pink Floyd worship to an elitist level, but I don't personally care on that front. 

I don't dislike Rush because they're a popular band, I dislike Rush because, in general, their music fails to move my heart. You aren't wrong for liking what you like. Even if I say you're stupid for liking a band I don't like, well then I'm being erroneous and dis-compassionate. Obviously the music you like moves your heart in some way. That's a valid feeling and I'll not be a party to contesting it. Even if our music tastes are disparate to the point of hilarity, I still want you to be the happiest, most fulfilled person you can possibly be. I'm not being sardonic or facetious here, either. Sometimes I like making statements that will take people aback. You could call me a troll, but I like to think (Id est: hallucinate) that I'm different. I don't dissent or argue for the sole purpose of hurting somebody's feelings. If I could I'd share every tear or smile with every person who has ever lived or ever will live. You can be rude to me, either deliberately or otherwise. I understand and accept that the circumstances within your life, paired with your emotional shifts gave way to these actions. I am in no way objectively superior to you or anyone else. I never shall be. 

I probably go too far into these things. I doubt anybody cares about how honest or introspective I am in my posts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 18:17
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

I don't like or dislike music based on others' interests. Pink Floyd's my favorite band - nobody on earth could call them an 'underground' artist or an 'elitist' band and be terribly correct. Sure, some folks could take Pink Floyd worship to an elitist level, but I don't personally care on that front. 

I don't dislike Rush because they're a popular band, I dislike Rush because, in general, their music fails to move my heart. You aren't wrong for liking what you like. Even if I say you're stupid for liking a band I don't like, well then I'm being erroneous and dis-compassionate. Obviously the music you like moves your heart in some way. That's a valid feeling and I'll not be a party to contesting it. Even if our music tastes are disparate to the point of hilarity, I still want you to be the happiest, most fulfilled person you can possibly be. I'm not being sardonic or facetious here, either. Sometimes I like making statements that will take people aback. You could call me a troll, but I like to think (Id est: hallucinate) that I'm different. I don't dissent or argue for the sole purpose of hurting somebody's feelings. If I could I'd share every tear or smile with every person who has ever lived or ever will live. You can be rude to me, either deliberately or otherwise. I understand and accept that the circumstances within your life, paired with your emotional shifts gave way to these actions. I am in no way objectively superior to you or anyone else. I never shall be. 

I probably go too far into these things. I doubt anybody cares about how honest or introspective I am in my posts.

You know what. Even when I go out of my way to be sarcastic and generally rude, there are too many generally nice people in these forums for it to have any effect.

I hope you can forgive my pathetic attempt at baiting. I apologise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 18:23
The thing is, I'm not generally nice. I can be. I have the potential to be. I forget about it quite often. Obviously I wasn't being the most sincerely respectful when I was saying what I was saying that caused you to react as such. Most folks would have called my earlier posts 'petty' and 'argumentative'. I won't disagree.

You don't have any reason to apologize unless you want to. If so, it'll always be accepted gratefully (from me at least).And, for the record, I offer to you the same sentiment. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 18:34
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

The thing is, I'm not generally nice. I can be. I have the potential to be. I forget about it quite often. Obviously I wasn't being the most sincerely respectful when I was saying what I was saying that caused you to react as such. Most folks would have called my earlier posts 'petty' and 'argumentative'. I won't disagree.

You don't have any reason to apologize unless you want to. If so, it'll always be accepted gratefully (from me at least).And, for the record, I offer to you the same sentiment. 

PA just wouldn't be the same without all the 'petty argumentativeness' LOL

And I apologise when I've done something wrong, I did something wrong, so I apologised. I hope we're good here :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 18:41
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

I don't dislike Rush because they're a popular band, I dislike Rush because, in general, their music fails to move my heart.
man that's cheesy. It's not a crime to like music for it's cool sounding riffs and fancy solos you know
I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2011 at 18:51
We're always 'good' here. I think I've lost the ability to hold a grudge. It's so difficult for me to be honestly angry with people.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2011 at 02:36
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

We're always 'good' here. I think I've lost the ability to hold a grudge. It's so difficult for me to be honestly angry with people.

Real people can honestly be so far away from their real personality in the face of internet anonymity, that I rarely judge (in the long term) anyone for posting something I don't agree with.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2011 at 04:57
For what it's worth, major kudos are due to both Alitaire and JS19 for the candour of their exchanges here. If everyone behaved in this exemplary manner, there would be no need for moderators.Thumbs Up
Where's my redundancy package then? Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2011 at 08:08
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

For what it's worth, major kudos are due to both Alitaire and JS19 for the candour of their exchanges here. If everyone behaved in this exemplary manner, there would be no need for moderators.Thumbs Up
Where's my redundancy package then? Big smile

Thank you. I never deliberately try to do things negatively. Sure, sometimes it comes out and boom, you've got my Iron Maiden Final Frontier review, but that's how I review albums. My album reviews are like a diary with a purpose. It's a cross between a project, a personal diary, and a critique. In some reviews I'll talk about how angry or depressed I sometimes am, then ten seconds later its 'and golly I sure did like Hounds of Love. Why am I so sad? Dammit to hell I hate my job blah blah and Cloudbursting is an amazing art pop dreamscape.'

Mayhaps you should be asking that question over at the Libertarian thread. I think they discovered, quite recently, the cure for all men's ills, ails, and awls, that we may, us bedraggled lot, be bereft of all manner of woe, wailing, and work. "Yea verily and the Lord spaketh to Candy Darling and decreed 'Yea thou shalt be mine truest disciple, that ye may deliver my message. Also, tell Andy his little factories got to go." ~God, from the neo-testament chapter IV: A Modern Sodom.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2011 at 18:05
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

For what it's worth, major kudos are due to both Alitaire and JS19 for the candour of their exchanges here. If everyone behaved in this exemplary manner, there would be no need for moderators.Thumbs Up
Where's my redundancy package then? Big smile

Well let's just say I can get very rude occasionally, and I always feel upset afterwards, so I felt something needed to be said :)

(That was said a little less eloquently than Alitare, but hopefully I got the message through) 


Edited by JS19 - November 02 2011 at 18:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2011 at 20:52
Is this thread imposing the question that King Crimson is not the most significant band in all known space and time?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2011 at 06:27
^ In 4/4 time yes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2011 at 15:15
The 70s, it seems, created the blueprints, awakened new archetypes, with musical innovations that mixed the era of electronic instrumentation and increasingly advanced recording equipment with old traditional styles (folk, sacred, 'classical,' blues, and jazz). The artists to have come after the 70s have been toying with a finite number of combinations and permutations with regards to the instruments used. Where innovation has come since the 70s seems to be in lyrics, language, electronics, and finding odd instrumental and sylistic couplings (e.g. accordian and power chords from heavily distorted electric guitars [TUNE's "Lucid Moments"], or Cole Porter-like lyrics and sounds worked into the confines of an avant garde rock combo [HUMBLE GRUMBLE]). With this in mind, I truly admire the modern work of UNIVERS ZERO, DAVID SYLVIAN, KATE BUSH, THE COCTEAU TWINS, THE CARDIACS, AFTER CRYING, REINE FISKE, TOBY DRIVER, RICHARD WILEMAN/KARDA ESTRA, and the entire stable from AltrOck Productions. In summary: There is life after the 70s--after the "Big 6." It's just not as mind-blowingly fresh.       
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