Who enjoys Progressive music more !?

Moshkito , i'm not gonna comment on your comments cause yu're right in 90% of what yu're saying . About the rest , you figure out why you were wrong !! but the note & the vision are twins in making good music indeed , i'm a multi instrumentalist musician , and i really know about this fact !

progpositivity wrote: By "flat" it appears we are saying the users that are not "high" on some form of drug...   Flat people are clearly in a better situation to notice and appreciate form in compositions.  Individuals who are "high" on a substance are much more likely to be distracted or to have a shorter attention span.   High individuals are presumably very "in tune" with some mood, emotion or feeling.  I would think they would be very receptive to mood components of music - and to perhaps be astounded by things that not nearly as unusual, as surprising, nor ar hilarious as they might appear to them.  To what extent they are truly enjoying the music - and to what extent they are enjoying the experience of being under the influence of the drug gets hard to dilineate here.   For example, someone high on THC will often find something quite humorous and then laugh uncontrollably.  Yet the event which struck them as funny was really rather mundane.  The same event prompts no laughter from them later.  Indeed, the only really "funny" think when they look back is the fact that they found this event funny in the first place.  Was the event 'funny'?  Or were they feeling "funny" due to the drug? It depends on the style of humor. Many people did not find Zappa funny. They were just lazy and didn't want to use their brain. Pot opens the sub-con more. Ummagumma, Zappa, Gong, Jazz music in general seems to have an extreme hold on those that smoke weed. They can feel every note Miles Davis is playing in their soul. Maybe the next day they will purchase the cd and listen to it straight? The drug is not good for the serious musician due to it's impact on defeat. Musicians looking for the perfect high on stage. This has caused train wrecks during live performances. Most seasoned musicians might take a couple of hits and jam to fusion but, not so much when performing complex composition.   So the question I'm posing is... "How much is the high person enjoying the music - and how much are they enjoying the substance"?   I don't doubt there is a synergistic relationship there but if someone needs a substance in order to enjoy the music, then they are enjoying the "drugs+music" Combo Meal Deal and not the music itself IMO.   Obviously I'm on the side of "flat" listener.  I actually prefer not to calling them "flat".  Perhaps the drugged listener could be called a "fuzzy" listener and the non-drugged listener called a "focused" listener because they listen with greater clarity of mind!  The non-drugged listener can still experience great highs and lows of emotion without being high or low on a drug!

Regarding one main difference in younger generations and older, I have to make claim that any misunderstanding a younger person has about prog, is directly tied in with their social environment. They have obviously been born to and grown with a completely different music scene.

   TODDLER !! i'm really impressed by your comments , and to be honest with myself first , i've discovered a lot of things , more than important in my life as a living person , as a musician and as a progressive fan .
few weeks ago , i've posted a topic , about Drugs , Alcohol and progressive music , but after one hour it was deleted !! i respect the administration decision , cause they know much more than me what's suitable for our site , what's not . i've been into drugs addiction ( heavily)since i was 26 , and what i have to say in this subject , no one else can even dream that it happened ! i'm now doing fine , since 2008 , and this means 30 years of drugs addiction .
I Love music , not only progressive , but all good stuff , from all kinds , even sometimes i feel myself enjoying traditional music without understanding the meaning of the lyrics ( i don't know why , but i enjoy it !! )
what i want to say will never fit in this forum , but things are the same , if you're high or not , if you're a musician or not , if you're weird or not !! it's a state of mind and that's it !! either you're into music or not !! just imagine my country Lebanon , in the middle east , i believe that out of 4 millions there's only 4 could understand what the word of progressive rock music means , before getting into this wide world ! i really respected you for your comments , and let the other Genius in progarchives & some other progressive sites , wear your shoes for a while !

jean-marie wrote: looking at all those posts, it seems the ones who love prog are poeple who talk too much,shut up!!!! and listen to the music!!!!

Could you elaborate better?

trackstoni wrote:    TODDLER !! i'm really impressed by your comments , and to be honest with myself first , i've discovered a lot of things , more than important in my life as a living person , as a musician and as a progressive fan . few weeks ago , i've posted a topic , about Drugs , Alcohol and progressive music , but after one hour it was deleted !! i respect the administration decision , cause they know much more than me what's suitable for our site , what's not . i've been into drugs addiction ( heavily)since i was 26 , and what i have to say in this subject , no one else can even dream that it happened ! i'm now doing fine , since 2008 , and this means 30 years of drugs addiction . I Love music , not only progressive , but all good stuff , from all kinds , even sometimes i feel myself enjoying traditional music without understanding the meaning of the lyrics ( i don't know why , but i enjoy it !! ) what i want to say will never fit in this forum , but things are the same , if you're high or not , if you're a musician or not , if you're weird or not !! it's a state of mind and that's it !! either you're into music or not !! just imagine my country Lebanon , in the middle east , i believe that out of 4 millions there's only 4 could understand what the word of progressive rock music means , before getting into this wide world ! i really respected you for your comments , and let the other Genius in progarchives & some other progressive sites , wear your shoes for a while !

TODDLER wrote: trackstoni wrote:    TODDLER !! i'm really impressed by your comments , and to be honest with myself first , i've discovered a lot of things , more than important in my life as a living person , as a musician and as a progressive fan . few weeks ago , i've posted a topic , about Drugs , Alcohol and progressive music , but after one hour it was deleted !! i respect the administration decision , cause they know much more than me what's suitable for our site , what's not . i've been into drugs addiction ( heavily)since i was 26 , and what i have to say in this subject , no one else can even dream that it happened ! i'm now doing fine , since 2008 , and this means 30 years of drugs addiction . I Love music , not only progressive , but all good stuff , from all kinds , even sometimes i feel myself enjoying traditional music without understanding the meaning of the lyrics ( i don't know why , but i enjoy it !! ) what i want to say will never fit in this forum , but things are the same , if you're high or not , if you're a musician or not , if you're weird or not !! it's a state of mind and that's it !! either you're into music or not !! just imagine my country Lebanon , in the middle east , i believe that out of 4 millions there's only 4 could understand what the word of progressive rock music means , before getting into this wide world ! i really respected you for your comments , and let the other Genius in progarchives & some other progressive sites , wear your shoes for a while !   I should watch what I say when I make reference to drugs. Even though I am just making observations, it could cause problems for the site. Thanks for your support. It's bizzare that you mention your country or the middle east not understanding the word prog. I have studied "Desert Music" (fringe term) .....Arabic music I have improvised off since I was a boy. I find that music to be progressive in a completely different sense. I can't describe it. The adaption of the harmonic scales where you improvise off them has been long incorporated into Western Culture with Jazz. I always wanted or dreamed of being born to it instead of developing my ear in a closed room and improvising with Arabic pieces. It's incredible how a musician can play those modes, improvise and play it from the soul. Just as Blues contains a freedom to express from the soul, so does the improvisation in the middle east.

   No comment for now Toddler , your words came as the rain in August , but i wish in 2020 , someone give the same opinion in our culture the way you did my friend , Bravo , i can't say more for now , my Vodka was a little bit shaking my head !!!! but keep your good moves heading to the best of Arts !

and by the way , ask the administrators of this site who recommend < Rabih Abou Khalil > from the first place ! and i still have hundreds more Arabians Artists to come !

Padraic wrote: I do.

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Edited by trackstoni - December 24 2010 at 04:36

progressive rock is music for men played by men. The sad thing is some prog fans don't enjoy this music. They just like to listen to it cos it's complicated and weird. The consequence is they listen to prog rock doing million different things. If you don't sit with your headphones on and concenrate on this stuff you shouldn't call yourself a prog fan.