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cjgone
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 00:16 |
JLocke wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
cjgone wrote:
Kansas? |
Kansas.
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Technical death metal <3.
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Marty McFly
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 06:31 |
Epignosis wrote:
cjgone wrote:
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Kansas.
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It's like final argument, music equivalent of nuclear bomb. Simply Kansas.
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 06:33 |
cjgone wrote:
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Kansas? |
Kansas.
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Black Oak Arkansas.
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fuxi
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 04:21 |
Most of my favorite prog bands are British (the classic ones) but it can't be denied that, at the moment, the U.S. (and various other countries) have a stronger prog scene than the U.K.
You might call Porcupine Tree or even Radiohead prog, and they're both British, but to me they seem mainstream rock bands that are obviously influenced by prog.
I just watched the ROMANTIC WARRIORS DVD, which convinced me that the U.S. prog scene is alive and kicking, with all those festivals on the East Coast and with bands like Deluge Grander.
The only U.K. prog band I'd really call outstanding these days is Big Big Train.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 06:47 |
Snow Dog wrote:
cjgone wrote:
JLocke wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
cjgone wrote:
Kansas? |
Kansas.
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Black Oak Arkansas. |
This raises the question, why is Kansas pronounced kansas and Arkansas pronounced arkansaw?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 07:00 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
cjgone wrote:
JLocke wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
cjgone wrote:
Kansas? |
Kansas.
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Black Oak Arkansas. |
This raises the question, why is Kansas pronounced kansas and Arkansas pronounced arkansaw?
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I used to pronounce it Ar-kan-sas. In my defence I'm not American and I was very young.
Until a few years back I pronounced paradigm as para-dij-em.
Edited by Snow Dog - August 10 2010 at 07:02
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 07:10 |
Apparently it derives from the french pronunciation.
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Rabid
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 12:56 |
You can't deny the fact :
Miles Davis influenced EVERYONE, in some way.
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"...the thing IS, to put a motor in yourself..."
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Gandalff
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 13:12 |
Well, this thread flows by gravity, isn´t it?
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el böthy
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 13:24 |
It all depends on the genre.
When it comes to symphonic, it´s obvious UK is upfront. USA even is "behind" other countrys like Sweden, France and specially Italy. And the same can be said about Neo.
But if we take a genre like Avant garde, USA has always (along with France) been at the very top. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Toby Driver, FRANK ZAPPA, John Zorn, Mr Bungle...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:32 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Apparently it derives from the french pronunciation.
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OK apparently that wasn't too challenging, please explain why Mississippi has too many s's, i's, and p's, in it's name...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 10 2010 at 15:33 |
Because otherwise it would be called Misp.
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fuxi
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 03:10 |
But that's not all!
Why is Missouri spelled Missouri if it's pronounced Mizzoori? (Cf. Mississippi!)
Why isn't Michigan spelled Mishigan? (Cf. Jonnie Anderson's notorious mispronunciation on that superb extended version of "America"...)
And don't get me started on Wichita; how many foreigners would pronounce THAT correctly if they didn't hear it first?
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zappadaddy
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Posted: August 11 2010 at 03:15 |
No doubt,England rules in the world of PROG in last 40 years,lately though there is band form USA which in my opinion is more progressive then the rest of the world - Deluge Grander and Birds of buildings!
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My heroes are Frank Zappa,Ozzy Osbourne,The Plastic People of the Universe,Sun Ra and Mirek Wanek from Uz jsme doma
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sydbarrett2010
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Posted: August 13 2010 at 05:55 |
its the music that's important its not important what country has better bands what country has more bands im from iran and we have good bands in rock and metal koroush yaghmaei is one of our best rock musicians but can you choose between iran and us or uk ? yes you can but its the music that is important maybe there is just one band in my country but he's good so there is no need to argue about us or uk
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peste
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Posted: October 25 2010 at 10:02 |
sydbarrett2010 wrote:
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are you sure there's one rock band/artist in Iran? I doubt that.
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TODDLER
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 09:46 |
A strange experience if you don't mind..........When I first discovered Progressive Rock in 1970, my first closeminded response was to Rock music.....Well, why do American Bands not sound like this? Later I found out that Deep Purple were influenced by Vanilla Fudge. Then I remembered that all the great British Blues guitarists like Peter Green, Mick Taylor and a host of others were under the influence of B.B. King and Chicago Blues and Delta. Everything started to come together for my idiot response. The British and others from various countries were obsessed with American music. Even bands like Omega.
The difference in the prog sound back then was the social environment affect on European musicians of the Classical background. Not something that took hold on American Musicans as a whole teaching, where Classical dominates rock. America had Virgil Fox and so many others performing just Classical here in the U.S. The American conrtibution to prog derived more from the electronic artists who consulted with Bob Moog. Moog helped these artists with the function of the moog and made suggestions for their plans. Beaver & Krause....In A Wild Sanctuary has prog elements all over the place and in 1970.. The album was a major influence to musicians from the golden prog era. Paul Beaver was a Classical musician and he added in that European style to rock. Gandharva has progressive music that was later influential to Jade Warrior.
American Blues music is progressive because during a very rapid shuffle, instruments can go off in a Jazz rampage. It can almost be jazz sometimes with a Blues mentality. Wes Montgomery live with Wynton Kelly trio is the prime example. Many of the long passages played by Keith Emerson derive from this concept in American music. Wakeman too. Rod Argent, Dave Greenslade, Peter Bardens(RIP), and others all played Saloon Bar piano style from the great west and also play blues and jazz. Progressive Rock bands from the early 70's had more of a Classical influence regarding the signature notes played in a Genesis song or the theatrical aspect to stage performances as Supper's Ready is almost like a play and some older prog epics are like opera. Fripp adapted American Jazz style to all the early Crimso releases. His guitar teacher taught him basically how to go about mastering the American sophisticated Jazz style. The Classical style incorporated into the European Prog was not as prominet in America or adaptable in that way or to that extreme.
Edited by TODDLER - October 28 2010 at 09:58
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Marty McFly
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 14:59 |
Technically speaking, both USA and UK are economically / socially similar countries. Well, it's not like comparing Pakistan & Sweden, is it ? Well, UK is 5 times smaller than USA. Is impact of UK 5 times lower than impact of USA ? You know, something similar to number of Prog bands per capita :-), comparing not total impact, but total impact / divided by size of country.
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my
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clarke2001
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 18:25 |
Rabid wrote:
You can't deny the fact :
Miles Davis influenced EVERYONE, in some way.
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In a silent way.
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clarke2001
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 18:42 |
Marty McFly wrote:
Technically speaking, both USA and UK are economically / socially similar countries. Well, it's not like comparing Pakistan & Sweden, is it ? Well, UK is 5 times smaller than USA. Is impact of UK 5 times lower than impact of USA ? You know, something similar to number of Prog bands per capita :-), comparing not total impact, but total impact / divided by size of country.
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Well that's easy. As of today, there are 761 British bands in the database, and 1224 American bands. Which means 1,6 times more American bands (not far from the golden ratio). British population: 62,041,708 American population: 310,578,000 Which means prog bands are three times more often in the UK.
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