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Textbook 
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 Posted: June 19 2010 at 05:12 |
Yeah, Omar has suggested that Frances The Mute II will never be released at all. I think the reason is partly that they were not that enthusiastic about it in the first place and partly that the band made a conscious decision to not do any more biographical works about dead friends. Julio's whole life got raked over by people who didn't know him as a result of Deloused In The Comatorium and while TMV tried a smoke screen with FTM it didn't entirely work.
(In case you didn't know, the thing about FTM being based on a diary Jeremy found is complete codswallop. It's simply about Jeremy himself, his attempt to find his birth parents and his death of a heroin overdose. They pretended it wasn't in order to save him and his family the scrutiny Julio got for DITC.)
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The Monodrone
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Posted: June 19 2010 at 09:44 |
^ Hmmm... that's interesting. Yeah, I never really knew what Frances was about, but I remember hearing something about it being based on a diary or a journal, or something like that.
BTW: I wish TMV would update their official page once in a while.....  There's also a ton of spam under the comments for their albums; it really sucks. |
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The Truth
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Posted: June 19 2010 at 09:55 |
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Sad part is... Their two best albums were about dead friends and now they've really dropped in quality...
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warrplayer
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Posted: June 20 2010 at 11:06 |
 The Truth wrote:
Sad part is... Their two best albums were about dead friends and now they've really dropped in quality... |
Sounds like the makings of a great crime novel.
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Textbook
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Posted: June 20 2010 at 16:49 |
Yeah, like they decide to arrange for John Frusciante's death or something because they can't record good albums without someone close to them dying. Or they're actually sacrificing them to Satan who rewards them with the power to rock.
*gets film rights*
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The Monodrone
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Posted: June 20 2010 at 17:06 |
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^ Like in that god-awful movie Jennifer's Body lol.
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nevbox
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Posted: June 22 2010 at 20:46 |
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I have only heard the story that jeremy ward found a diary in a repossessed car. and it was his idea to make it into a concept album. he then died and tmv still made the album and dedicated to jeremy. I'm sure a lot of it might be about jeremy's od, but the concept itself is riddled with death after death, torture, rape, kidnapping, etc. What songs do think are about jeremy's death?
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Textbook
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Posted: June 22 2010 at 23:16 |
Discussing it in detail would involve me sharing things The Mars Volta themselves have asked people not to. The reason they disguised it in the first place was to protect Jeremy's memory, while still letting people view it as a tribute to him. But the entire thing is about Jeremy and the diary is Jeremy's own, not one found by him.
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The Monodrone
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 09:25 |
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How did you find these things out?
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Textbook
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 16:13 |
I got a bit obsessed with Frances The Mute and myself and some other people investigated.
Don't worry, I view the whole thing as foolish now. We had some idea that once we understood what Frances The Mute was about, some sort of "grand truth" would be revealed to us. We found some things out but there is no "big revelation" and never was one, it's just an album of music. I've never taken an album so seriously again, looking at the energy/time wasted on that was kind of a wake-up call. All we ended up doing was poking around into some very personal matters and then deciding maybe it was better not to know after all, we felt like a bunch of guilty pryers. Which we were I suppose.
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The Monodrone
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 18:46 |
Frances the Mute does seem like an album one could delve too deeply into... a very cryptic album. I've heard the title track and I wish it would have made it to the album; it really is a great piece of music.
I've been reading a lot of interviews with Cedric and he seems to be a very liberal person.  ...makes him even cooler in my opinion!
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Synchestra
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 19:03 |
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The lyrics of Frances.. Really are fantastic, they're cryptic but you can actually get alot of meanings from them. Thats a quality I don'y find too often in their other works (though I do enjoy the way the words sound, which I believe is half the reason they're written that way anyway)
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The Monodrone
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 19:14 |
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^ Yeah, it's all a result of Cedric's writing and singing style... he ad-libs vocals at first to perfect the 'feel', then he adds the lyrics that make (more) sense later on. Brilliant guy.
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nevbox
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Posted: June 26 2010 at 22:11 |
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^yeah "Se Dice Bisonte, No Bufalo"and "La Tirania De La Tradicion" by omar are great examples of that. it sounds like he's singing words at first but he's not
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progger7
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 15:46 |
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i'm willing to give these guys a second chance. i recently heard a song from them and thought it was pretty good. it had like a psychedelic latin vibe to it. i'm not sure what turned me off on these guys the first time around. i might have heard some stuff from octahedron and i just checked that for some reason it's not as well received as their other stuff and some fans are losing hope for them for going in that direction. idk though...
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JLocke
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 16:58 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
I have not heard Octahedron. Is it really worth getting . I have heard mixed reactions........ that they merged into acoustic territory and its not very prog. Is that true?
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Who cares? If it's good music, that's all that matters, right?
I myself am curious about that album, but have yet to really plunge into it mainly because I hated Bedlam. Octahedron is supposed to be mellow as you said, so perhaps It will change my mind about the band. As of right now, however, let me just say that I think they started out incredibly strong with their debut, then gradually got more insane and unlistenable as time went on.
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Epignosis
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 17:29 |
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Octahedron is a great album. Love every track. It shows TMV can be quiet and rock at the same time.
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The Monodrone
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 17:34 |
Epignosis wrote:
Octahedron is a great album. Love every track. It shows TMV can be quiet and rock at the same time.
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This. Nice to see this thread going again.
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Synchestra
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 18:06 |
Octahedron is a great mellow album, it takes its time and only really goes a little crazy once or twice (although when it does, it definately feels like a lesser version of any song on Bedlam)
Still, I can't help feeling its the weak link in their discography so far. Maybe I just prefer the Volta all crazy  |
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Textbook
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 18:38 |
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Really? I thought most people agreed that Octahedron sucked.
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