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Don't be afraid. The big upside-down-cross-showing, pentagram-wearing, two-faced noisy metal monster is not going to eat you while you sleep. Tongue
 
 
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AH, but you DID see that monster, did you ?
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
Yes... Some people agree with what I highlighted in red... Those two statements clearly prove that for you, DT is just NOT GOOD MUSIC  But it so happens that even that depends purely on a subjective point of view. You haven't yet defined good music for all of us, you can define it only for you. The same if I started talking about post-rock and how I consider it to be the most boring of genres...... I'll get killed because the genre is more "prog" in that it has weirder structures ("forms".... yeah, right, ZERO form...), it's not a virtuosic show off (it's actually a virtuosic doze-off...) and it has barely the distortion and the noise of metal (it actually depends solely on dynamics, and the most simple ones at that).... So for me that's not good music. Is that final word? Well, for me it is, but I can't even start to think that that's what should be prevalent in this website.... with thousands of members who know what they like and how they like it...
 
Many happen to love metal and to find real progressive elements in metal.
 
The site OWNERS happen to find prog-metal a reality, not just a myth. If not from a musical point of view (they're only persons, nothing else), at least in a PRACTICAL point of view, that's it: in PA, there's a genre called "progressive-metal". And it will probably always be there. And if there are a lot of bands coming, maybe it''s because it's the most dynamic genre nowadays, maybe because there are more bands, maybe because of popularity, maybe because the world "ain't right". Whatever.
 
If you hate metal, TURN THE PAGE. Or, better said, SKIP. SCROLL. PRESS. CLOSE. Whatever computer word apllies. NOBODY will define here the justice or not in prog-metal being in PA. IT IS. That's all we can do about it.
 
In the end, all is just a matter of tastes. For all the incredible musical analysys that can show me how a Magma piece of music is the most brilliant thing this side of sunlight in mercury, I could just say "that's boring, senseless fooloing around with notes..." Yes, I could say that for me music should be simpler, easier, more enjoyable... It's not that I think it should, but I could say it, and who would prove me wrong, if there's nothing to prove?
 
Man! Let this rest. Progressive-metal is here.
 
 


yawn.....   you DT fans are all the same...  this thread was about trying to show that those who DON'T care for DT still have lots to choose from and love in the PM area.  Some... like you... just naturally assume that if someone doesn't like DT they are sl*gging off PM.  Come off it Teo.  It is all subjective...  therefore... why are you getting your panties in a wad if a few of us don't care for them.  I like other things I have heard within PM. DT simply isn't one of them   You need to thicken that skin of yours.  You can tell me PFM is a bowl of sh*t.. and you know what I'd say...  in a hell of a lot less time that you took to write that post. 

'oh well   .. your loss.... why don't you try .....ahhhh... . .try this instead'

granted you are new being a team member... think of PM and promoting it.. and less of defending your favorite groups. Wink


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I like it how whenever someone mentions there being too many DT clones, there will always be someone who will take it as a dramatic insult to DT members, their families and pets.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
Yes... Some people agree with what I highlighted in red... Those two statements clearly prove that for you, DT is just NOT GOOD MUSIC  But it so happens that even that depends purely on a subjective point of view. You haven't yet defined good music for all of us, you can define it only for you. The same if I started talking about post-rock and how I consider it to be the most boring of genres...... I'll get killed because the genre is more "prog" in that it has weirder structures ("forms".... yeah, right, ZERO form...), it's not a virtuosic show off (it's actually a virtuosic doze-off...) and it has barely the distortion and the noise of metal (it actually depends solely on dynamics, and the most simple ones at that).... So for me that's not good music. Is that final word? Well, for me it is, but I can't even start to think that that's what should be prevalent in this website.... with thousands of members who know what they like and how they like it...
 
Many happen to love metal and to find real progressive elements in metal.
 
The site OWNERS happen to find prog-metal a reality, not just a myth. If not from a musical point of view (they're only persons, nothing else), at least in a PRACTICAL point of view, that's it: in PA, there's a genre called "progressive-metal". And it will probably always be there. And if there are a lot of bands coming, maybe it''s because it's the most dynamic genre nowadays, maybe because there are more bands, maybe because of popularity, maybe because the world "ain't right". Whatever.
 
If you hate metal, TURN THE PAGE. Or, better said, SKIP. SCROLL. PRESS. CLOSE. Whatever computer word apllies. NOBODY will define here the justice or not in prog-metal being in PA. IT IS. That's all we can do about it.
 
In the end, all is just a matter of tastes. For all the incredible musical analysys that can show me how a Magma piece of music is the most brilliant thing this side of sunlight in mercury, I could just say "that's boring, senseless fooloing around with notes..." Yes, I could say that for me music should be simpler, easier, more enjoyable... It's not that I think it should, but I could say it, and who would prove me wrong, if there's nothing to prove?
 
Man! Let this rest. Progressive-metal is here.
 
 


yawn.....   you DT fans are all the same...  this thread was about trying to show that those who DON'T care for DT still have lots to choose from and life in the PM area.  Some... like you... just naturally assume that if someone doesn't like DT they are sl*gging off PM.  Come off it Teo.  It is all subjective...  therefore... why are you getting your panties in a wad if a few of us don't care for them.  I like other things I have heard within PM. DT simply isn't one of them   You need to thicken that skin of yours.  You can tell me PFM is a bowl of sh*t.. and you know what I'd say...  in a hell of a lot less time that you took to write that post. 

'oh well   .. your loss.... why don't you try .....ahhhh... . .try this instead'

granted you are new being a team member... think of PM and promoting it.. and less of defending your favorite groups. Wink
 
Mmmm.... This time YOU have misread me, not like the other time around. I was using what you said about DT as an EXAMPLE, and I claerly used the part where you said that virtuosic displays are not good music or that DT couldn't make good music if their lives depended on that. I was very clear with my example: THAT's SUBJECTIVE. Just like the "prog-metal isn't prog" thing or the "symphonic-prog is the best thing in the world" opinion, it's just that, AN OPINION. I used your words because they worked for what I tried to say. I have it clear that you don't like DT, and I respect that, and anyway, why should I care? Believe me, DT (the band) will continue to make their music no matter how much I love them or how much you hate them. It was just an EXAMPLE. READ.
 
I think PFM is sh*t. So what? No, actually I don't. I haven't even heard them. I would like to, of course. But sometimes the arrogance of their fans (not you of course) scares me away. Now please, in a hell of a lot less time that it took me to write all of that, weren't you going to say something if I commited the crime of perjuring against PFM? I don't care, neither should (and I guess DO) you.
 
Live in peace. I have nothing against you. If I had a problem with everyone that dislikes DT, I'd be mad at about 299.000.000 of Americans (that's counting that they have at least a million fans). 
 
What I have something against is people MISREADING ME. So please, this time it's YOUR wrong, not mine.
 
All that I'm doing is promoting this genre. I ceased promoting DT a LONG TIME AGO (I'm pretty sure the PMteam wouldn't have wanted me if I still continued to be a DT-PUSH-Troll.....).
 
You also, focus on your team. As you probably do with great results. I don't spend my time in threads about genres I don't know about or I don't care about, so I don't know, but I'm sure you are doing a terrific job, a long-time collaborator as you are.
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Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

I like it how whenever someone mentions there being too many DT clones, there will always be someone who will take it as a dramatic insult to DT members, their families and pets.
 
I love people who like to throw more incendiary stuff into the fire... who meddle in other people's discussions and try to inflate small musical arguments....
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:




Don't be afraid. The big upside-down-cross-showing, pentagram-wearing, two-faced noisy metal monster is not going to eat you while you sleep. Tongue
 
 
AH, but you DID see that monster, did you ?


I know I did, and since I was a bad boy, he was making predictions as well....



Seriously though, I think Raff has some very good points in her initial post, even if I'm not the metal head I used to be some 15 years ago (when I was a member of the Eindhoven Student HeadBangers Front Embarrassed and visited Dynamo cafe every Thursday evening). I like Ayreon, early Dream Theater (their later stuff I own but hardly ever listen), and I enjoyed Riverside at Symforce festival last month despite the bad sound. Prog-Metal is a fact, it's on PA and the team are doing a great job. Thumbs%20Up

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we'll drop it Teo... we aren't on the same page here... talking at crosspurposes.. but the fact remains.. Raff didn't create this thread for people to defend DT... but as a means to bring out other groups that we might like for those who DO write off PM because of not liking DT.  People like you.. and MIke earlier who see this an an attack on DT are not serving the purposes of the thread.

I like PM and have been enjoying it ..so with your permission...  I'll continue to post to post my two cents regardling a subject I am interested in. 


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The T needs some vacations LOL.... and stop being as fanboy as Mike; Micky wasn't bashing by any point; just you saw his comment as an attack to PM.. and not curiously you're both specialists on the field and are supposedly capable to spot a bashing act from an opinion as different things Wink
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we all work very hard here.. let's try to keep our eyes on the prize
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

we'll drop it Teo... we aren't on the same page here... talking at crosspurposes.. but the fact remains.. Raff didn't create this thread for people to defend DT... but as a means to bring out other groups that we might like for those who DO write off PM because of not liking DT.  People like you.. and MIke earlier who see this an an attack on DT are not serving the purposes of the thread.

I like PM and have been enjoying it ..so with your permission...  I'll continue to post to post my two cents regardling a subject I am interested in. 
 
No, we clearly aren't. I know why Raffaella created this thread and if you read one of the earlier posts in it, you'll see I greatly apllauded and agreed with its purpose. I repeat, I used your words becasue they served my purpose. I was NOT defending DT (where did I say "DT is not bad? They're great?".... Where? Confused)
 
Ok, I'll drop it. Feel free to drop your two cents. Just let me drop mine without always trying to make me look as a DT-crazy-freak.... This time, you just misread me. I will stop quoting you, though, for peace purposes, as I always tend to start discussions based on NOTHING with you...LOL
 
 
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The T needs some vacations LOL.... and stop being as fanboy as Mike; Micky wasn't bashing by any point; just you saw his comment as an attack to PM.. and not curiously you're both specialists on the field and are supposedly capable to spot a bashing act from an opinion as different things Wink
 
Some people need to learn that meddling in between discussion by adding fire to the flame doesn't help to keep the peace and good spirit here in PA. Those people really deserve a vacation... wait... vacation of what? Wink
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

I like it how whenever someone mentions there being too many DT clones, there will always be someone who will take it as a dramatic insult to DT members, their families and pets.
 
I love people who like to throw more incendiary stuff into the fire... who meddle in other people's discussions and try to inflate small musical arguments....
 
Haha, I can count at least three reasons why your post is ironic without you knowing, can you?
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^ Just vacation for a relaxing purpose ;)  And please don't look at me as a fighter, but I just saw a clear attempt by you to add fire to a peaceful comment made here...... As Mike, you just see bad intentions against your beloved genre everywhere......

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I will stop quoting you, though, for peace purposes, as I always tend to start discussions based on NOTHING with you...LOL
 
 


hahahah.. oh really....  when have we ever talked   We tend to stay on different sides of town around here.  I've got a suite at  Hyatt, sipping champaign with the true prog groups, and last I saw you.. you were hangling out at the strip clubs with the latest Prog Metal additions LOLWink
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Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

^ Just vacation for a relaxing purpose ;)  And please don't look at me as a fighter, but I just saw a clear attempt by you to add fire to a peaceful comment made here...... As Mike, you just see bad intentions against your beloved genre everywhere......

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That's pretty natural, when I was in his position I was just about as uncontrolled and emotional about little heads and ready to pick up a fight with just a miserable excuse. You don't need a vacation from this (unless you feel more comfortable being idle, now I know I surely do), it's not an ill to cure and may not even be a negative aspect of one's presence on this site. I think it's just being into something too deeply - you certainly wouldn't see fists everywhere around you when the subject matter left you indifferente, would you?
 
In any case, I've been in his skin and I understand him well.
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END.
 
I won't inflate egos answering to challenges which will not help us in any way. Let's just agree some words here were incorrectly taken (or whatever you want to agree on) and continue. Prog metal lives. Period.
 
EDIT: Except KAyo Dot... (now I know who loves when I mention them...LOLWinkTongue)


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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

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I won't inflate egos answering to challenges which will not help us in any way. Let's just agree some words here were incorrectly taken (or whatever you want to agree on) and continue. Prog metal lives. Period.
 
EDIT: Except KAyo Dot... (now I know who loves when I mention them...LOLWinkTongue)
 
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Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

^ Just vacation for a relaxing purpose ;)  And please don't look at me as a fighter, but I just saw a clear attempt by you to add fire to a peaceful comment made here...... As Mike, you just see bad intentions against your beloved genre everywhere......

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That's pretty natural, when I was in his position I was just about as uncontrolled and emotional about little heads and ready to pick up a fight with just a miserable excuse. You don't need a vacation from this (unless you feel more comfortable being idle, now I know I surely do), it's not an ill to cure and may not even be a negative aspect of one's presence on this site. I think it's just being into something too deeply - you certainly wouldn't see fists everywhere around you when the subject matter left you indifferente, would you?
 
In any case, I've been in his skin and I understand him well.


This can't become a personal fight..... Hell, I not even know The T.. I'm just talking to his arguments exposed. But trust me, I ALWAYS need vacations LOL

Just take it easy, although I call him 'fanboy', supposedly an insult (though for me isn't that much....). My apologies, anyway.

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Points: 6890 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 17:49
I really dont like arguing about the rediculus hate for prog metal, so this will be my last post here!
 
If you dont like one band, move on! There are so many subgenres of PM I literally find it hard to beleive that it's impossible to hate all prog metal in the first place!
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Let's keep this discussion above the "barely civil" level folks. Stern%20Smile
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