Emerson, Lake and Palmer Appreciation |
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Prog.Sylvie
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 12 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 449 |
Posted: January 06 2007 at 11:46 | |
Wizard, you are not a fan, so you don't know what you are talking about. |
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C'est la vie
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Jeremy Bender
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 29 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 531 |
Posted: January 14 2007 at 10:29 | |
Why do we like them so much?
Mmm.....i always think of elp as an extreme cool band and certainly a band with balls of steel ;-) no serious, i mean they didn't care what everyone else thought about them and just did what they wanted to do musically from classical to jazz, folk, hardrock(even without electric guitar) and back. If they wanted to tour with an orchestra they did it (not a great move but ok, i give them credit to have the nerves to do that), if they wanted to update an classical piece they did it, if palmer wanted to play an cool drumsolo with gongs, timps and all that he did it, if emo wanted to play an piano solo he did it. They took huge risks muscially and financially with a attitude of 'veni vidi vici' and for a short period they succeeded. Maybe 1/3 of the material is really, really good, 2/3 isn't and i really wished they stopped after the works-tour (everythin' was said musically). But elp defined prog in the early 70's in a time when prog was still in a embryo state and therefore they have a kind of innocent sound imo which i like. In short: elp is just a fun band!
favorite moments: aquatarkus live-version, the barbarian, c'est la vie, from the beginning, drumsolo from welcome back my friends, hoedown welcome back version, jerusalem, karn evil 9, piano concerto no.1 third movement, take a pebble, the endless enigma, the three fates, toccata, lucky man, the great gates of kiev with the orchestra, benny the bouncer (which other band would record somethin' like this? then or now...)
5 star albums: brain salad surgery, debut
4 star albums: pictures, trilogy, welcome back, works vol.1
3 star albums: tarkus (production isn't that good imo, and the tarkus version on welcome back is soo much better), black moon, elpowell
2 star: works vol.2, albert hall
1 star: love bitch, works live
0 stars: toilet seat
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verslibre
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 17243 |
Posted: January 14 2007 at 22:49 | |
Pretty much how I'd do it, except I'd move Works I and Pictures both down to 3 stars. The best stuff on ELPowell is better than the best stuff on Black Moon, too. 3.5 to ELPowell.
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pero
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 11 2005 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 1242 |
Posted: January 15 2007 at 02:04 | |
I agree with Jeremy Bender, that they were unique, and took their own way without compromise.
The heart and soul of ELP is Keith, who worked on stage and in studio much more then Lake and Palmer. I like all their albums (until Works), but I don't agree with Jeremy on Tarkus. It s with ELP and Brain salad my favorite. Ladies and gentleman is great live album. I have 3 DVD's (Masters from vaults, Pictures at an exhibition and Royall albert hall). For me they were best on the beginning (not as old wine), when they had tons of passion and energy. My ratings would be: ELP ***** Tarkus**** Pictures **** Trilogy ***1/2 Brain salad surgery ****1/2 Ladies and gentleman **** Works 1,2 ***1/2 |
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endlessepic
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 22 2006 Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: January 17 2007 at 15:18 | |
Nothing wrong with that I suppose...I think "Mermoirs" is actually pretty decent. People just love being able to say "Love Beach sucks" so they enjoy putting down a one star. Cmon, its not THAT bad. In the hot seat has a good version of "Pictures" but Lakes voice has gone down the toilet. The rest of it just blows. |
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Jeremy Bender
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Posted: January 17 2007 at 15:53 | |
I don't love it to say love bitch sucks (maybe a little), but sorry i can't give it more than 1 star, why should I, it's a terrible concept (songs about love on a beach and all that pfff....), cheesy lyrics, cheesy synth sounds ( but i like palmer's playing and sound on that album very much, he plays very, very good on that record (and the drums sound great, a nice dry sound); tight and very groovy in places, wel that's something rare because palmer is everything BUT a groover).
Sorry but the studio-version of pictures on 'iths' is crap, it's lacks all the energy of the live-album with the same name, palmer plays boring, emerson has some terrible sounds, and lake well... it has a good sound quality that's for sure(dolby surround) but boring playing from all three (if lake had a good voice on 'the sage' it'd have saved something, pity).
ELP is my all-time favorite band but they made some 1st class CRAP, i'm not deaf.....and certainly not a fanboy who has the need to defend all their material, if it sucks it sucks (of course to my ears and this is only my opinion, if someone likes love bitch fine, good for him/her).
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28107 |
Posted: January 18 2007 at 02:24 | |
Love Beach has to be a 2 star album (for fans and collectors only).It could have been a decent pop/prog album if someone like Brian Lane had handled the production of it.I actually prefer it to the ELPowell album anyway
The worst ELP is of course ITHS which is the only ELP album that deserves 1 star and is not really of interest even to ELP fans!
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rupert
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 11:54 | |
i do prefer "Black Moon" before "Love Beach", which is a bit shallow and tired to my ears.
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salmacis
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 12:16 | |
Love Beach is weak by any stretch, but I agree it's not 1 star material. I gave it 2 stars because I think Canario was excellent and just about salvaged the album.
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elpprogster
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 02 2005 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 463 |
Posted: February 01 2007 at 12:43 | |
I also think that Love Beach is 2 star worth at least! The Canario and the Officer suite almost save the album.
Black Moon is great in its own right.
Itīs a real pity that Hot Seat chashed the bandīs carrer in terms of studio albuns...
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jplanet
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Posted: February 02 2007 at 01:11 | |
I can remember playing "air keyboards" to the live version of Aquatarkus, and nearly all of BSS, Pictures and Trilogy. What incredible compositions and performances
Truly an innovative band. While Yes, Genesis, and others, sounded like rock bands experimenting with some classical aspirations, I always got the impression that Keith Emerson was already a master of the art form, like he finished his experiments long before publishing music, and only made us listen to the experiments that worked. |
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28107 |
Posted: February 02 2007 at 04:56 | |
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Nash
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2007 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 529 |
Posted: February 06 2007 at 12:26 | |
Im a fan of ELP, I really love this band and its one of my favourites.
my favourite cds from them are: Tarkus, Trilogy and Emerson Lake and Palmer. |
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elpprogster
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 02 2005 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 463 |
Posted: February 13 2007 at 18:42 | |
https://store.progressionmag.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=31
Here you can buy a special edition of Progression mag dedicated to ELP
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ken4musiq
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 446 |
Posted: February 17 2007 at 12:07 | |
Hi Richard, How you doing? I see you are still defending ELP. Am I the only one that actually liked those Works sessions or what? Even Palmer called them :"dodgy" at best. He's always been a little miffed at all the money they lost. But Emerson stands by all of his work with ELP; he doesn't have that Asia money to keep him going in his old age. Palmer recently said he think ELP had one great album still in them, if they can put their differences aside. Maybe after the Asia tour. An important thing to remember is that Emerson, assisted by Lord and Edgar Winter, among other is respobnsible for bring the keyboard to the forefront of the modern rock movement. . His influence really resonated in the Arena rock and hard rock bands that followed with their over the top production , and metal with its blaring 200+ sixteenth notes. Kids love that stuff. No matter what I do my students always are wowed by my speed. You get that eye sticking out of the head phenomena not unlike Looney Tunes. If they knew how easy that was. In the video Back to the Beginning one of their tour managers said that ELP actually were influential on Queen. When I told, not unlike ELP was the only band that could get away with doing a Dixieland or Dance Hall inspired tune and of course have a hit with it, he understood what this guy meant. They are both operatic in their excess, and to me that what rock and roll is all about. If it gets to serious, I'll just listen to Bartok. |
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28107 |
Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:49 | |
Very well Ken.Thanks for asking Yourself?
The Queen/ELP connection isn't that surprising.Neither band was very good at recognising its own limits!
A little bit of trivia but I remember reading that Brian May was going to record a guitar part for a reworking of the old Nice track Intermezzo.I don't know what happened to it or whether they ever went into the studio to do it.Brian May and Keith Emerson would make an interesting combination and would probably be well suited musically.
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ken4musiq
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 446 |
Posted: February 18 2007 at 20:46 | |
I am doing well. thank you.
I hate to say this, but . . . I bought the first Nice album on CD. It has the mono version of Azraela. First time I heard it with a guitar. I always liked that tune; but with the guitar I love it. The guitar fills in the hole by playing the riff. I think ELP could have benefitted from a guitar. . . not that they needed one, not that they did not have one . It would have changed everything though, including history. May and Emerson, though. you are right, I think that would be Nice. Who would play the anthems? Is in the Crap Seat really that bad? I saw all of the 1990s tours but never bought any of the crappy albums. You can "Love Beach" me but once. Edited by ken4musiq - February 18 2007 at 23:55 |
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micky
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 21:05 | |
as an aside for the ELP fans.. was going to do it tonight but got caught up in other pressing matters hahahha
will be adding Carl Palmer to the database in the coming days.. Richard - Raff passed on the discography info to me.. thanks! |
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Arrrghus
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5296 |
Posted: February 18 2007 at 21:15 | |
I love ELP. They may be bombastic and show off way too much (well, mostly Emerson shows off too much), but the music is still great. There is better songwriting than what people give them credit for. I just have one huge gripe about them: all their albums have weak filler.
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micky
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 21:19 | |
maybe I'm a fanboy but that whole filler thing never washed with me. It was plainly obvious if you read up a bit on them that some tracks that are commenly trashed as 'filler' were done with the express intent to 'lighten' the mood of the albums. If you want to be beat over the head for 40 minutes nonstop with Tarkus like intensity.. you are a better man than me |
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