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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Yes, the guy is annoying, but I'm way more angry at the stupid judge who didn't throw this out. Fools like him cost the taxpayers millions of dollars a year. But he doesn't care; it's not his money.

 
I agree, the Judge should be removed on a misconduct behaviour trial. Having a son is no crime in USA (I believe in China it is if ou have more than one) and the parents caused no harm in the act of birth, so this should have been rejected.
 
Nobody can sue against the laws of nature, two caucasians will have a caucasian son or daughter(Unless the milkman is from a minority LOL).
 
It's absolutely unbelievable. I believe the guy and his parents are trying to make a point, probably from a white supremacy group and the judge is the useful idiot.
 
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2008 at 19:11
whoa.. where the hell did that quote come from hahahhah
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2008 at 22:48
yea.....another one of those frivilous, crazy laswsuits  that's won on a technicality

like the hot coffee at mcdonalds, the guy who used his lawnmower on the bushes,
or my favorite the couple having sex on the RR tracks and got hit, not only did they live somehow but when their lawsuit since no sign said they shouldnt be there
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Not an American but thanks goodness they were on the right side here... just remembering! 6 June, The D-Day...
And not forgetting UK, France, Canada, the former USSR, all other allieds and all the people who also fought Nazism (many Germans included).
 
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Yeah, hooray for D-Day and the folks who served.
also, reading through this thread... remember Teaflax?  what happened to that guy?  he was fun.
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Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

^^ Are you somehow trying to suggest that the majority can't be under attack? Especially when it's the slim majority as in the U.S. where most of the dissenters are present in pop-culture or acadamia, so their opinions get seen in the public light.


Honestly Teaflax, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't mean that as an insult; I would just like you to state what you're referring to.


    
You honestly don't see this? Ultra-conservative people always view something they don't like as a personal attack. Slogans such as, "Gay Marriage is ruining America," and "Illegal Immigrants are taking our jobs" are constantly bandied about. The truth is that neither really has any effect on their personal life. These so called "values" seem to be more like predjudices. Ignorance always fears what it doesn't understand.
    
    
 

Fair enough but consumer groups have exploited the fear factor as well as organized labor both of which have been in the liberal camp so it works for both sides.  Hasn't Gloria Allred used the victim card in many of her well publicized cases?  Lawyers in general make highly publicized cases like this to get THEIR name out there not to promote their political agenda.  Seems like there is a ratio of an attorney for every 5 citizens. Parents encouraged their children to be lawyers and now there are too many of them and only so many government jobs to go around so they result to crap like this to get an edge.  '

 

As for immigrants taking our jobs that train of thought goes back to the Civil war and caused riots in NYC because of how many Irish had migrated into the country. I don't think that is the relevant argument people are making now.   I think it is more of how American companies are shipping jobs overseas and that does affect peoples lives.  Illegal immigration is a separate problem in that most of these people and their employers are not paying the proper taxes yet use the services we all use everyday putting more of strain on them.  Hey they can stay if they pay that is my thought.  Maybe we need a national and state sales tax not an income tax. 

 

As for the conservative "ruling class" come live in my state Teaflx you might be surprised.   Our republican governor would give Ted Kennedy a run for his liberal money.

 

 I think the ultra conservative group you refer to influence the lip service of members of the republican party causing  the slogans you quote but as far as the overall leading party in the country it would be the democrats by far.  They have control of more state legislatures and have far more registered voters.   The religious right or the moral majority hit their highs in the Reagan era and maybe in an odd state or two they hold some sway but not really. 

 

 


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Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Not an American but thanks goodness they were on the right side here... just remembering! 6 June, The D-Day...  And not forgetting UK, France, Canada, the former USSR, all other allieds and all the people who also fought Nazism (many Germans included).


Of at least equal importance is for us to remember that the Allies, despite their proclamations of noble intentions, were really acting out of self-interest:  Europe was under occupation by German forces while the US needed a way out of the depression.  It is historically transparent that the victors could've acted to prevent the rise of Nazism (particularly, the Holocaust) in Germany, but for the most cynical of reasons they chose to turn a blind eye to Hitler (in fact, the American and European business community gushed over the sort of opportunities that fascism provided them).

It is also noteworthy that prosecutors at Nuremberg candidly asserted that they would not regard as crimes those acts which the Allies themselves committed.


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Don't make me put a boot up your ass, because it's the American way, ya know. Wink
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Originally posted by WinterLight WinterLight wrote:




Of at least equal importance is for us to remember that the Allies, despite their proclamations of noble intentions, were really acting out of self-interest:  Europe was under occupation by German forces while the US needed a way out of the depression.  It is historically transparent that the victors could've acted to prevent the rise of Nazism (particularly, the Holocaust) in Germany, but for the most cynical of reasons they chose to turn a blind eye to Hitler (in fact, the American and European business community gushed over the sort of opportunities that fascism provided them).

It is also noteworthy that prosecutors at Nuremberg candidly asserted that they would not regard as crimes those acts which the Allies themselves committed.


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noble?  that belongs to the men ON BOTH SIDES who fought for their countries..

having dealt with that..  governments ALWAYS act not of nobility but of pure self-interest.  You say the most cynical of reasons...  oh no.. nothing cynical about the blind eye given to Hitler and the rise of Nazism.  Quite simply... the 'west' feared Communism FAR more than the Fascism.  Note ..we didn't declare war on Germany... they did us.  Want to point the single greatest mistake Hitler made.. that was it. 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by WinterLight WinterLight wrote:




Of at least equal importance is for us to remember that the Allies, despite their proclamations of noble intentions, were really acting out of self-interest:  Europe was under occupation by German forces while the US needed a way out of the depression.  It is historically transparent that the victors could've acted to prevent the rise of Nazism (particularly, the Holocaust) in Germany, but for the most cynical of reasons they chose to turn a blind eye to Hitler (in fact, the American and European business community gushed over the sort of opportunities that fascism provided them).

It is also noteworthy that prosecutors at Nuremberg candidly asserted that they would not regard as crimes those acts which the Allies themselves committed.


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noble?  that belongs to the men ON BOTH SIDES who fought for their countries..

having dealt with that..  governments ALWAYS act not of nobility but of pure self-interest.  You say the most cynical of reasons...  oh no.. nothing cynical about the blind eye given to Hitler and the rise of Nazism.  Quite simply... the 'west' feared Communism FAR more than the Fascism.  Note ..we didn't declare war on Germany... they did us.  Want to point the single greatest mistake Hitler made.. that was it. 


Nah. Calling off the Sea-Lion offensive to invade Russia was even more dense. 'Sides, he declared war on the US as a contractual obligation to Japan, if I remember correctly, which gives it at least some excusability. Not his brightest moment, certainly, but Russia's entry was more pivotal in my opinion than America's.
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America used to be a good country. Now it's being bought by other countries. The leaders don't care, the citizens don't care. The policies are awful. Common sense is dead.

I appreciate the founding fathers as much as anyone can, but at the moment, I can't look on the leadership and policies of this country with anything but hatred.
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you only look at the leadership and policies with hatred? you have much more restraint than I


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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

America used to be a good country. Now it's being bought by other countries. The leaders don't care, the citizens don't care. The policies are awful. Common sense is dead.

I appreciate the founding fathers as much as anyone can, but at the moment, I can't look on the leadership and policies of this country with anything but hatred.


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Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



BALTIMORE, MD. -- A Baltimore man is suing his parents for conceiving him as a white male.



Doesn't The Progtologist live in BaltimoreWink?


Man Overboard and myself do as well. Cry

I've lived here my whole freakin' life.
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With all this criticism of the U.S.A. (which in my country Canada, is sometimes endemic) it might be a good question to ask why so many people want to get in.
many folks love their nation. many have immigrated despite this love. many have made America their home.many now love America as their nation.
All in all, people, it's easy to take potshots at what is realistically the greatest country in the world today. Not the best, as that is subjective. My vote, of course, going to Canada.
But please, could we balance the failings of this grand land (wow, nice alliteration, eh) with a few qualities.
Or at least include some comparisons.
Hey, let's see how the U.S. stacks up against - Russia, China, Myanmar, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Cuba, South Africa, Serbia, and a host of others. Add some europeens, scandis and other "civilized" countries, if you want.
Let's see how the U.S. compares in freedom, rule of law, quality of life, opportunity, racism, corruption, hope, charity, etc ...
Let's see if we have to admit that the U.S. isn't all that bad.
Oh, let's see if we can give up the idea that the American government is evil when it does things we don't agree with, and evil when it doesn't do something we agree with.Evil%20Smile
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Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

With all this criticism of the U.S.A. (which in my country Canada, is sometimes endemic) it might be a good question to ask why so many people want to get in.
many folks love their nation. many have immigrated despite this love. many have made America their home.many now love America as their nation.
All in all, people, it's easy to take potshots at what is realistically the greatest country in the world today. Not the best, as that is subjective. My vote, of course, going to Canada.
But please, could we balance the failings of this grand land (wow, nice alliteration, eh) with a few qualities.
Or at least include some comparisons.
Hey, let's see how the U.S. stacks up against - Russia, China, Myanmar, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Cuba, South Africa, Serbia, and a host of others. Add some europeens, scandis and other "civilized" countries, if you want.
Let's see how the U.S. compares in freedom, rule of law, quality of life, opportunity, racism, corruption, hope, charity, etc ...
Let's see if we have to admit that the U.S. isn't all that bad.
Oh, let's see if we can give up the idea that the American government is evil when it does things we don't agree with, and evil when it doesn't do something we agree with.Evil%20Smile


Perhaps as an American, I can answer this in the following way.  Indeed, many great achievements have occurred in this nation; certain freedoms, like the freedom of speech, are factually unsurpassed by other nations.  However, it's far too easy (and in my opinion, morally reprehensible) to cheerlead for the home team.  Washington is demonstrably the worst perpetrator of all sorts of global atrocities, not the least of which are the myriad of growing democracies which it is shattered.  These things deserve attention and scrutiny of the highest order.
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Originally posted by WinterLight WinterLight wrote:

Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

With all this criticism of the U.S.A. (which in my country Canada, is sometimes endemic) it might be a good question to ask why so many people want to get in.
many folks love their nation. many have immigrated despite this love. many have made America their home.many now love America as their nation.
All in all, people, it's easy to take potshots at what is realistically the greatest country in the world today. Not the best, as that is subjective. My vote, of course, going to Canada.
But please, could we balance the failings of this grand land (wow, nice alliteration, eh) with a few qualities.
Or at least include some comparisons.
Hey, let's see how the U.S. stacks up against - Russia, China, Myanmar, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Cuba, South Africa, Serbia, and a host of others. Add some europeens, scandis and other "civilized" countries, if you want.
Let's see how the U.S. compares in freedom, rule of law, quality of life, opportunity, racism, corruption, hope, charity, etc ...
Let's see if we have to admit that the U.S. isn't all that bad.
Oh, let's see if we can give up the idea that the American government is evil when it does things we don't agree with, and evil when it doesn't do something we agree with.Evil%20Smile


Perhaps as an American, I can answer this in the following way.  Indeed, many great achievements have occurred in this nation; certain freedoms, like the freedom of speech, are factually unsurpassed by other nations.  However, it's far too easy (and in my opinion, morally reprehensible) to cheerlead for the home team.  Washington is demonstrably the worst perpetrator of all sorts of global atrocities, not the least of which are the myriad of growing democracies which it is shattered.  These things deserve attention and scrutiny of the highest order.

 True, it has done its' share. And even if you understand the idea of realpolitik, that doesn't mean that every thing was acceptable as part of that "game".  But please compare the U.S. to the opponents it faced - the USSR and China.
So while it would be a great idea to have something comparable to South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation commission (where the bad guys were invited to admit their crimes in return for forgiveness and immunity from prosecution, and the victims were able to confront their former tormentors, and also put a face on the horrors done to them), in the U.S. it would just be a showdown between the extremes, and in the other countries, the evil would be censored. Yes, even in Putin's nascent democracy.
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Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:


Perhaps as an American, I can answer this in the following way.  Indeed, many great achievements have occurred in this nation; certain freedoms, like the freedom of speech, are factually unsurpassed by other nations.  However, it's far too easy (and in my opinion, morally reprehensible) to cheerlead for the home team.  Washington is demonstrably the worst perpetrator of all sorts of global atrocities, not the least of which are the myriad of growing democracies which it is shattered.  These things deserve attention and scrutiny of the highest order.

True, it has done its' share. And even if you understand the idea of realpolitik, that doesn't mean that every thing was acceptable as part of that "game".  But please compare the U.S. to the opponents it faced - the USSR and China.

Well, I'm not going to give a definitive comparison--there's a rich literature on this (you can start with Chomsky).  But it is well-established that Washington essentially coerced Moscow into an arms race, the intent of which was to cause the Soviet economy to crumble.  Moreover, China has always taken a defensive posture with respect to foreign policy:  they'd rather the rest of world just fade out of existence.

So while it would be a great idea to have something comparable to South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation commission (where the bad guys were invited to admit their crimes in return for forgiveness and immunity from prosecution, and the victims were able to confront their former tormentors, and also put a face on the horrors done to them), in the U.S. it would just be a showdown between the extremes, and in the other countries, the evil would be censored. Yes, even in Putin's nascent democracy.

The problem is that criminals are rarely interested in exposing their own crimes.
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