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Incredible String band. Ok they weren't a rock band but they were definitely forward thinking MF's (to borrow Julian Cope's favourite phrase) and had made a string of mind bending and influential albums before the 60's were out..

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My thanks to everybody for the good discussion we've had. Thumbs Up
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2023 at 22:46

And I'm glad that nobody has mentioned The Beatles as the best Progressive Rock band of the '60s Big smile
- or OK, maybe almost nobody. 







Edited by David_D - January 12 2023 at 22:49
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2023 at 23:43

By now I find it even more interesting with the evolvement of Progressive Rock in the late '60s (and early '70s), and not least 
how to view the characteristics, importance and influence of the Canterbury and the American scenes vs King Crimson, VdGG, 
Jethro Tull and the Symphonic Prog - for not to talk about Pink Floyd and Space Rock. Star

Is it for instance historically speaking best to view the Canterbury scene as a part of Progressive Rock or as a separate movement?




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It takes a moment to even think who were around in the 60's and doing prog., but I'd give the vote to:

Moody Blues

I don't consider early Tull to be prog. It wasn't until Aqualung / Thick as a Brick that they really got going in that direction.


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Justin Hayward probably stated that the Moody Blues were not Progressive Rock..however Threshold On A Dream and To Our Children's Children's Children flowed like Progressive Rock albums. Perhaps he perceived that as accidental. He could have easily written songs which blended with Pinder, Thomas, and Lodge songs and their albums felt like concepts.

I believe that 60s bands applied the usage of specific elements and ideas that later surfaced in Progressive Rock. George Martin and The Beatles were responsible for a lot of it. Beaver and Krause were influential to Progressive Rock because they introduced the synthesizer to Pop Music and by doing so..it gained the interest of new Progressive Rock bands who were just forming and using the synthesizer to create a signature sound in Prog. Paul Beaver helped design Keith Emerson's first synthesizer. It was a fascinating time period

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^ not Bob Moog then?
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Seatrain should be on this list, somewhere.


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ not Bob Moog then?


Bob Moog because he invented the instrument. Musicians were unable to play synthesizer sounds on a keyboard and Bob Moog made it possible for them to do that when he invented the Moog Synthesizer. Beaver And Krause, Wendy Carlos, Mort Garson, Ruth White, etc..all consulted with him. It seemed more of a situation where they were the Musicians and Bob Moog was the inventor opening their world to new ideas and concepts for music.

As if Beaver and Krause notified Bob Moog that they were going to set up a Moog Synthesizer at the gates of Monterey Pop Festival and that maybe Bob Moog said.." Great..go for it". and shortly after Beaver and Krause began assisting George Harrison and The Doors to produce Psychedelic Music using a synthesizer. I believe that Keith Emerson probably explained what he wanted out of a Moog Synthesizer and that Paul Beaver put all of his energies into designing it for him.

Paul Beaver had assembled musicians at Grace Cathedral to record 5 instrumental pieces . The cathedral contained a hollow reverb quality and a short delay . This became an idea for European musicians to pursue. It was the beginnings of Ambient and later New Age...however the idea was utilized later on by Jade Warrior, Steve Jolliffe, Stomu Yamashta, and probably several others as years progressed. The band YES utilized the sound to create soundscape backing for Jon Anderson's voice. It's possible that Paul Beaver came up with the concept, but using real instruments and less synthesizer..which became a ritual for bands like Pulsar .

It's conceivable that Delia Derbyshire was a major influence on the idea of making Rock more cosmic in Europe..as Paul McCartney was very interested in consulting with her after writing "Yesterday". On her album DREAMS she creates the same ambience that Brian Eno used in the 70s. Her usage of sound generators and cutting tapes to form melodies formed an odd style of phrasing which is present in the "Dr. Who" theme but later adapted with more advanced keyboard technology in 70s Prog. Delia Derbyshire was a major influence on keyboardist sounds , rhythmical patterns, and creepy phrasing later on in Prog.

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Interesting, Emerson only seemed to give credit to Moog but that was presumably for commercial reasons!
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Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Seatrain should be on this list, somewhere.



I Love the sound of Seatrain! Heart I'll add them to my Strange Psychedelic Daze blog. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I Love the sound of Seatrain! Heart I'll add them to my Strange Psychedelic Daze blog. Thumbs Up

While RYM classifies them as Psychedelic but more in the Folk or Folk-Rock category. Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote enigmatic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2023 at 17:22
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Seatrain should be on this list, somewhere.



I know what I will be listening to tonight,after my wife goes to bed. Thanks for the recommendation!
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The Moody Pop?  Ermm  No
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Interesting, Emerson only seemed to give credit to Moog but that was presumably for commercial reasons!
According to my info, 

On August 1969 a set of concerts called Jazz in the Garden was held at the MoMA (Museum of Modern Art) in New York, in which one of the concerts (on August 28th) was a demonstration of the Moog's synthesizer. Bob Moog prepared a set of synths specifically for this concert, and they were played by Bob Moog himself, Herb Deutsch and a couple of other musicians.

One of the modular sets was a custom model which they called 1Ca, modified from the standard-spec 1C orienting it more to live performance (and crucially including a primitive 5-preset sounds box which stood on its top).

When ELP recorded their debut album, and most well-known the Lucky Man solo, Keith did not have a Moog himself yet, he used the borrowed one from Mike Vickers of Manfred Mann, which was the first which had arrived in the UK.

A few months later Keith contacted Moog as he wanted to buy one, and they sold him the 1Ca from the Jazz in the Garden show, which he went on expanding from then on.

In this pic we can see Keith still with the 1Ca before it became much bigger in a 3C cabinet.





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Soft Machine - a supergroup in reverse. 
Honourable mentions to the pioneering work of The Nice, Moody Blues and Pink Floyd of course.
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Interesting, Emerson only seemed to give credit to Moog but that was presumably for commercial reasons!

According to my info, 

On August 1969 a set of concerts called Jazz in the Garden was held at the MoMA (Museum of Modern Art) in New York, in which one of the concerts (on August 28th) was a demonstration of the Moog's synthesizer. Bob Moog prepared a set of synths specifically for this concert, and they were played by Bob Moog himself, Herb Deutsch and a couple of other musicians.

One of the modular sets was a custom model which they called 1Ca, modified from the standard-spec 1C orienting it more to live performance (and crucially including a primitive 5-preset sounds box which stood on its top).

When ELP recorded their debut album, and most well-known the Lucky Man solo, Keith did not have a Moog himself yet, he used the borrowed one from Mike Vickers of Manfred Mann, which was the first which had arrived in the UK.

A few months later Keith contacted Moog as he wanted to buy one, and they sold him the 1Ca from the Jazz in the Garden show, which he went on expanding from then on.

In this pic we can see Keith still with the 1Ca before it became much bigger in a 3C cabinet.







Great post. Thank you.
Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Seatrain should be on this list, somewhere.


Good lp..their first 3 are all good.
Another one with similar vibes was The Flock.

One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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The Doors
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