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Catcher10
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Posted: December 22 2016 at 08:07 |
Well the RnRHoF does not need to go away, it needs to continue what it is doing, putting some of the music we enjoy into the main stream. Bringing bands like Yes, PF, Genesis, Rush to the pop masses of today so they can maybe see there is some different music out there. There are loads of prog bands that will never make it, I mean we have seminal bands like The Can, KC, VdGG, Softs even Kate Bush that probably will never make it in. I am guessing these bands have been eligible for close to 20 years.
Heck do you actually think they will elect Iron Maiden and Motorhead one day, easily the past 10 years eligible, and BTW John Coltrane has yet to be considered. Of course they are a joke for leaving so many artists off the voting, but just like the Billboard Top 100 or any other list, they need to continue, sadly.
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uduwudu
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Posted: December 22 2016 at 14:57 |
moshkito wrote:
Maybe, some 75 years later, it might seem like a better idea for a Hall of Fame ... but the name itself, ruins the clarity and ideology of the whole thing.
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What clarity? What ideology?
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CaP
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Posted: December 23 2016 at 06:35 |
The question is: WHO CARES?? I won't like an artist more becausehe/she is inducted in the rock n Roll Hall of Fame or less if he/she isn't.
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SteveG
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Posted: December 23 2016 at 06:44 |
^I care. It's the principle of the thing. It's the need to right something that is wrong. Artists deserve to be honored for their artistic merits as well as the enjoyment they give to millions. Some are, but many that are truly deserving of it are not.
Edited by SteveG - December 23 2016 at 06:47
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CaP
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Posted: December 23 2016 at 07:41 |
Artists are honored by their fanbase and the respect of other artists, non by rolling stone mag... imho
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SteveG
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Posted: December 23 2016 at 07:52 |
^Rush seemed pretty honored by their induction. It what's the artist makes of it, not what you or I make of it, imho.
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CaP
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Posted: December 23 2016 at 08:51 |
I, as a fan, dont care. That's my point.
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SteveG
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Posted: December 23 2016 at 08:53 |
Let me quote the great Eric Lifeson: "Blah, blah, bla blah, blah bla..."
Edited by SteveG - December 23 2016 at 08:54
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CaP
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Posted: December 23 2016 at 09:28 |
SteveG wrote:
Let me quote the great Eric Lifeson: "Blah, blah, bla blah, blah bla..."
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Catcher10
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Posted: December 23 2016 at 09:29 |
I think Rush were very, very clear they were honored to be inducted because it was another way for them to pay tribute to their fan base. Geddy said it many times, he knows for the fans this was very important. I don't recall either Geddy, Alex or Neil saying this was not important to them, I never expected them to diss the induction or not show up or not perform..I knew they would accept it with grace and honor, and what Alex did was his snub to the whole process I think and also the boredom of acceptance speeches, he gave it a progressive spin  .
Deep down it must mean something to any artist that is inducted, I think they would be lying if they said "I really don't care to be considered...".
Buying their music is the ultimate honor for any artist. @ CaP you may not care that they get into the RRHoF, but its not about you, it's about the bands.
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lazland
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Posted: December 23 2016 at 10:52 |
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Jeremykeys
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Posted: December 24 2016 at 10:50 |
Just like the Grammy's indeed. An article in the Toronto Sun newspaper noted that Jeff Beck, A guitarists guitarist recently released an album that apparently is freaking amazing. He didn't even get a nod but of course Justin Beiber did. The Writer asked the question, "On what planet does Justin Beiber write an album better than Jeff Beck?"
'nuff said. It ain't about quality, it's about the cash grab.
Never been to the R&RHoF but if the owners actually paid heed to the name of the place, Hip Hop wouldn't be in there.
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Manuel
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Posted: December 24 2016 at 11:11 |
Jeremykeys wrote:
Just like the Grammy's indeed. An article in the Toronto Sun newspaper noted that Jeff Beck, A guitarists guitarist recently released an album that apparently is freaking amazing. He didn't even get a nod but of course Justin Beiber did. The Writer asked the question, "On what planet does Justin Beiber write an album better than Jeff Beck?"
'nuff said. It ain't about quality, it's about the cash grab.
Never been to the R&RHoF but if the owners actually paid heed to the name of the place, Hip Hop wouldn't be in there.
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Well said, and even people who are not into prog have noticed this. Why are Hip-Hop artists introduced into the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame"? Either you change the name to "Popular Music Hall of Fame" (or something similar), or take all these artists out (like Justin Bieber), and make room for all the rock artists that they have left out for their own personal, ridiculous and insane reasons.
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tszirmay
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Posted: December 24 2016 at 14:18 |
Politics......  as usual run by idiots who think they are cool....Rolling Stone has been a negative source of musical press from the early 70s til today. The very definition of ELITIST.
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dr wu23
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Posted: December 24 2016 at 15:56 |
I had no idea that they gave a nod to Justin Bieber......seriously..? Whatever respect I did have for the RRHOF, and that wasn't much, is now completely gone.
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uduwudu
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Posted: December 24 2016 at 21:18 |
For all the justified carping about the Hall it does mean much to many. The whole thing is riven with faults which everyone points out.
The reason why people care, whether they say they don't is that in name it represents their musical cultural identity.
And people get riled whether band members get omitted (stupid and insensitive by the Hall); bands get ignored (...again)... non-rock based artist get included (puzzling especially when many of these artists have disdained rock in the first place).
Now if there were a hall of fame for pop hacks, er, I mean rock journalism, who should be inducted... omitted?
Start with the Teen Beat office boy and ignore Rolling Stone? Tempting is it not?
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Asund
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Posted: January 04 2017 at 01:32 |
jude111 wrote:
Hall of Fames are for sports, not art.
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We could do away with sports, and then we'd all be right with jesus. Course I awready done 'nat, so's ya all gots some road ta drive.
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