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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: September 12 2015 at 22:00 |
 emigre80 wrote:
I certainly do understand your point of view, however, which is why it might make sense to avoid any thread with "overrated" in the title, just as I avoid any thread with "tv show" in the title, because I know in advance I couldn't possibly care less. This seems to be a concept that sets you off, and life is far too short to court needless irritation.
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No, it's not the same.
I avoid any thread with the name Gentle Giant on it, because I don't like Gentle Giant, but there are many people who love this band and i can't do nothing else but respect their taste despite my disagreement, on the other hand, would be wrong to say "All the Gentle Giant fans are idiots because they rate this mediocre band so high".
But the word overrated implies
1.- Most people love this album/band, so they rate it high. 2.- I hate this band album, so I rate it low. (Up to this point is OK) 3.- The rating is wrong, my rating is right 4.- I'm right, all of them are wrong because In say it.
So you are criticizing everybody else's opinion.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 12 2015 at 22:17
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emigre80
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 22:50 |
I agree with your assessment of the Wall, but besides Comfortably Numb, what is the other song on it you rate more highly?
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emigre80
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 22:51 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
emigre80 wrote:
I certainly do understand your point of view, however, which is why it might make sense to avoid any thread with "overrated" in the title, just as I avoid any thread with "tv show" in the title, because I know in advance I couldn't possibly care less. This seems to be a concept that sets you off, and life is far too short to court needless irritation.
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No, it's not the same.
I avoid any thread with the name Gentle Giant on it, because I don't like Gentle Giant, but there are many people who love this band and i can't do nothing else but respect their taste despite my disagreement, on the other hand, would be wrong to say "All the Gentle Giant fans are idiots because they rate this mediocre band so high".
But the word overrated implies
1.- Most people love this album/band, so they rate it high. 2.- I hate this band album, so I rate it low. (Up to this point is OK) 3.- The rating is wrong, my rating is right 4.- I'm right, all of them are wrong because In say it.
So you are criticizing everybody else's opinion.
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No, that's not what I mean, but I don't feel like explaining what I mean for the fifth time, so I'm going to let it go.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 23:03 |
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Foxtrot, with DSOTM second. The other two really are too good to be overrated
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Dellinger
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 23:24 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I never vote for overrated polls
IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre.
All these albums have reached their place in the Prog Pantheon, because they deserve it.
I like Foxtrot more, but this doesn't mean I consider the others overrated |
Exactly what I think too. Except that for me Foxtrot wouldn't be my favourite choice from this albums.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 23:40 |
Dellinger wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I never vote for overrated polls
IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre.
All these albums have reached their place in the Prog Pantheon, because they deserve it.
I like Foxtrot more, but this doesn't mean I consider the others overrated |
Exactly what I think too. Except that for me Foxtrot wouldn't be my favourite choice from this albums. |
Of course, from the four ITCOTKC is my least favourite.
But still is a masterpiece
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 12 2015 at 23:41
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TheLionOfPrague
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Posted: September 12 2015 at 23:42 |
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To me it can't be DSOTM because it's the best album of all time
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Agreed.
But I can see why some might go with it since it's the "least" prog. As a prog album there might be better. As a music album, for me it always was and always will be the greatest album of all time. I doubt I'll ever listen to something that will make me change my mind.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 03:36 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
emigre80 wrote:
I certainly do understand your point of view, however, which is why it might make sense to avoid any thread with "overrated" in the title, just as I avoid any thread with "tv show" in the title, because I know in advance I couldn't possibly care less. This seems to be a concept that sets you off, and life is far too short to court needless irritation.
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No, it's not the same.
I avoid any thread with the name Gentle Giant on it, because I don't like Gentle Giant, but there are many people who love this band and i can't do nothing else but respect their taste despite my disagreement, on the other hand, would be wrong to say "All the Gentle Giant fans are idiots because they rate this mediocre band so high".
But the word overrated implies
1.- Most people love this album/band, so they rate it high. 2.- I hate this band album, so I rate it low. (Up to this point is OK) 3.- The rating is wrong, my rating is right 4.- I'm right, all of them are wrong because In say it.
So you are criticizing everybody else's opinion.
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This is basically what people do all the time. What's the problem? Do we really have to tell the world that its our subjective opinion every time we have one? If you tell Gentle Giant-fans that you don't enjoy their music and why instead of coming across like a complete a****le, you'll be alright (and entitled to your opinion).
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 03:43 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre.
All these albums have reached their place in the Prog Pantheon, because they deserve it. |
I couldn't agree more.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 03:54 |
Floydoid wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. |
I couldn't agree more.
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You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well?
Edited by Saperlipopette! - September 13 2015 at 03:58
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:03 |
I do not care for Thriller from a musical personal preference standpoint. I didn't when it came out, and I don't now; however, if one is objective, one can see that it is an exquisitely produced piece of pop and an important document of the 80s, integrating black dance music with rock in a way that allowed Michael Jackson to capture a huge audience that crossed racial lines. From a pop and historical standpoint, it would be considered a "masterpiece", although for my tastes I think that word is bandied about far too frequently. A "dullard" as you presume in your trollish manner, would be more of a musical bigot who cannot see beyond his limited musical horizon and bash everything outside his little world. A dullard would not be objective.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:16 |
^I'm tired of reading all these pompous "I just dropped in to let you know that my moral standards are too high to take part in this discussion - except for telling you that I won't have any part in it".
I didn't start the name calling and labeling and I do think "your" contributions here are as predictably boring as they are unnecessary. How hard is it to just leave these kind of topics alone to those of us with questionable moral standards? |
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:18 |
emigre80 wrote:
I agree with your assessment of the Wall, but besides Comfortably Numb, what is the other song on it you rate more highly? |
Hey You I find the intro particularly hypnotizing but I agree that Comfortably Numb is easily the best song on the album.
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emigre80
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:27 |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
^I'm tired of reading all these pompous "I just dropped in to let you know that my moral standards are too high to take part in this discussion - except for telling you that I won't have any part in it". I didn't start the name calling and labeling and I do think "your" contributions here are as predictably boring as they are unnecessary. How hard is it to just leave these kind of topics alone to those of us with questionable moral standards?
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I'm still disputing the concept that participating in this thread identifies me as someone possessing questionable moral standards but otherwise I find myself in sympathy with this comment.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:28 |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
^I'm tired of reading all these pompous "I just dropped in to let you know that my moral standards are too high to take part in this discussion - except for telling you that I won't have any part in it".
I didn't start the name calling and labeling and I do think "your" contributions here are as predictably boring as they are unnecessary. How hard is it to just leave these kind of topics alone to those of us with questionable moral standards? |
I will reply to whichever thread I choose, with or without a 'by your leave' from you, sir and/or madam. If the topic is asinine, I will remark so. I am not striving for some sort of moral superiority, I am merely questioning a few posters' objectivity, or the lack thereof. In regards to your recent contributions, let's just say you're more fit to follow circus animals with a broom and shovel. Consider being a carnie; the big top needs you.
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emigre80
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:28 |
Follix wrote:
emigre80 wrote:
I agree with your assessment of the Wall, but besides Comfortably Numb, what is the other song on it you rate more highly? |
Hey You I find the intro particularly hypnotizing but I agree that Comfortably Numb is easily the best song on the album.
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Those are the only two songs I like as well.
Edited by emigre80 - September 13 2015 at 10:28
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:42 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
I will reply to whichever thread I choose, with or without a 'by your leave' from you, sir and/or madam. If the topic is asinine, I will remark so. I am not striving for some sort of moral superiority, I am merely questioning a few posters' objectivity, or the lack thereof.
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What? Are some members not objective in their opinions here? We certainly can't have any of that.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:50 |
emigre80 wrote:
Follix wrote:
emigre80 wrote:
I agree with your assessment of the Wall, but besides Comfortably Numb, what is the other song on it you rate more highly? |
Hey You I find the intro particularly hypnotizing but I agree that Comfortably Numb is easily the best song on the album.
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Those are the only two songs I like as well.
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I like several songs from The Wall. Offhand, I think "Mother" and "Goodbye Blue Sky" are fantastic, as are "Comfortably Numb" and "Run Like Hell"; but I think the oratory and incidental music drags in some sections and gets far too Watersian, which is how I feel about Gabriel and The Lamb. A common occurrence when a musical idea is stretched over two albums. That is not say that there isn't any transcendent work on either album, there certainly is.
Saperlipopette! wrote:
What? Are some members not objective in their opinions here? We certainly can't have any of that. |
I always wonder at the sort of person who considers objectivity to be a negative.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:53 |
Of course...In the Pop genre, he received the consideration he deserved, even when I hate his music.
Please pal control your manners, I haven't insulted you, so don't insult me.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 13 2015 at 10:56
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: September 13 2015 at 10:57 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
What? Are some members not objective in their opinions here? We certainly can't have any of that. |
I always wonder at the sort of person who considers objectivity to be a negative. |
Keep wondering because I never said I did. Do you consider your own opinion on these albums to be objective?
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