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Posted: October 21 2023 at 09:59

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=82461

This is a studio album, I have no idea why you changed it to Live?

Check the review on the front page by nutulescug

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Posted: October 21 2023 at 11:23

^ It's a live-in-studio album. See forum post here.

So is it LIVE or STUDIO? Hard to tell.

Also, I believe all tracks on this release were released on previous studio albums. But I may be wrong.

To be honest, I'm not 100% sure about the right place for this entry.

Edit: Wikipedia says it's a live album. And nutulescug mentions "live" twice within his review, before concluding with "THIS IS NOT A LIVE ALBUM". Embarrassed

Edited by projeKct - October 21 2023 at 11:39

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Posted: October 21 2023 at 13:15

^ Wikipedia's page about types of albums says: "Recordings that are done in one take without overdubbing or multi-tracking are termed "live", even when done in a studio. However, the common understanding of a "live album" is one that was recorded at a concert with a public audience, even when the recording is overdubbed or multi-tracked.

That's really helpful in settling the issue...Not! lol!

All the tracks were indeed previously released, so there's no new material here to really justify calling it a new studio album, but the live recording of the album took place over two days, so it seems it also wasn't just a straight through performance of the whole set recorded in a single take in the same way as it would be at a true live concert.

So that doesn't help much either... Confused

Edit: The question was asked by infocat in April 2013 here, and ex-admin Snow Dog answered 'studio' and changed whatever album they were discussing at the time back to 'studio'.

Another previous example here too, where a 'live in studio' album was moved from live to studio by The Bearded Bard. Eugene commented on the issue that time as well, saying that when making studio albums bands usually record some instruments and vocals separately, make overdubs and other studio wizardry, while live performance is a live performance regardless of the presence or absence of an audience.

Another one here, where Eugene commented: "live in studio is anyway studio album".

I've no doubt the matter has been discussed many more times too over the years, and it's an issue which seems to have no definite answer.

Edited by yam yam - October 21 2023 at 14:06

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Posted: October 21 2023 at 13:41

yam yam wrote:

^ Wikipedia's page about types of albums says: "Recordings that are done in one take without overdubbing or multi-tracking are termed "live", even when done in a studio. However, the common understanding of a "live album" is one that was recorded at a concert with a public audience, even when the recording is overdubbed or multi-tracked.

That's really helpful in settling the issue...Not! lol!

It's been a subject of debate since the advent of recording methinks. I wouldn't honestly trust Wikpedia on this topic. Especially, when the line between a studio and a live album can be unclear at times and is often blurred. The Flower Kings' Meet the Flower Kings was recorded live in a theater prepared to function more or less like a studio, with a limited studio sitcom-like audience, tons of studio overdubs and multiple takes. However, the band markets it as a live album. The problem becomes apparent when the band is ambiguous about whether it's a live or a studio album or doesn't really care.

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Posted: October 21 2023 at 14:55

A great example of 'Live in the studio' is Colloseum II's Electric Savage, done in front of a tiny audience in a studio just after a long tour. The energy it captured is unique.

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Posted: October 21 2023 at 19:11

Proggnosis have it catalogued as a live album for what it's worth, but I'm listening to it now, and I must say its a highly polished performance indeed - sounding especially so since there is no audible audience interaction in between the songs. They certainly made full use of the array of equipment that was available to them at Abbey Road, and it sounds more like a reworking of some of their existing studio-recorded material than a true live album to me. I'd certainly file it as a studio album based on how it actually sounds.

Edit: A good many of the studio albums on this site are actually 'live in studio' - especially the earlier ones from the last century, where the songs making up many of the albums would have been recorded by a full band playing them live in the studio rather than spliced together by an engineer from separately recorded individual contributions by the band members. The only difference with this Mostly Autumn album is that it was recorded by the band in a relatively short space of time (2 days) - with probably only a few takes needed at most - rather than being recorded over a number of days or weeks, and requiring several takes to get everything right.

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Posted: October 22 2023 at 11:29

Because Mostly Autumn have referred to Studio 2 as alive in studio album themselves, I would place it under live.

http://mostlyautumnrecords.com/mostlyautumnrecords/3/index3.html

Mostly Autumn wrote:

There was no audience, barring the on-site engineers, film crew and some onlookers from York St John University. We all knew this was a once in a lifetime opportunity.

This was just us performing live - a group of musicians performing as one when it really mattered, in that incredible cathedral of music history, Abbey Road - Studio 2.

While it is a kind of studio album, at the same time I would defer to them that they think of it as kind of live album made in the studio and so have it in the Live section. If the consensus of sites later, or just the band's opinion, is to have it as studio, can revisit at some later date.

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Posted: October 22 2023 at 11:55

Well said. I too think the band has the final say.

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Posted: October 22 2023 at 17:00

Missing Ink: https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=12573.

This band has been added today after I suggested them a couple of days ago here.

I am grateful for such a speedy evaluation by the team, but would also be grateful if somebody could remove the line below the biography that says: "Bio by yam yam and Diego Sgarlato".

That isn't the biography that I originally provided, and it doesn't contain any of the detailed additional information about the band history that Diego Sgarlato so kindly provided when I contacted them via Facebook.

This brief bio is adequate for the purposes of the site, but it's not one that I want my name to be associated with. Both Diego and myself put a fair amount of time into preparing a comprehensive biography for Missing Ink, and to be honest I am not looking forward to sharing the PA link to his band with him after so much of the bio he helped me with has been omitted from the page. Please make this heavily edited biography that has been included on the page anonymous, thanks.

The page for the album needs tidying up a bit too - there is an unusual amount of white space between the Line-up / Musicians heading and the list of musicians itself. I'm pretty sure the release date for the album is wrong as well - I had read in various places that it was released by MaRaCash records on 29th September 2023, and on Bandcamp the date is given as 3rd October. I haven't come across 23rd September as the release date anywhere though.

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Posted: October 22 2023 at 20:07

^ Thanks, David, both done.

Would you like me to contact the Heavy Team in order to replace the bio with the one you initially provided?

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Posted: October 22 2023 at 20:44

^ No, Eugene, that won't be necessary. I suppose they have omitted most of the detail I provided about the band for a reason (though don't ask me what the reason is lol!). I don't mind biographies that I have provided being edited by the evaluation teams, but I don't think they should still include my name at the bottom of them after they've done so.

So, thanks for removing the line that credited myself and Diego Sgarlato for the shortened biography, and fixing the issues with the album. As long as Missing Ink now have their page on PA (and will have also had some exposure due to site visitors viewing the original suggestion), then I expect they will be satisfied with what has been written on the page. At least it does accurately sum up the current situation with the band.

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Posted: October 23 2023 at 13:35

Updated track listing and releases information for "Tiny Goddess / I Believe In Magic" by Nirvana.

1. Tiny Goddess (3:36)

2. I Believe In Magic (3:31)

Total Time 7:07

Releases Information:

Producers: Jimmy Miller, Muff Winwood

Songwriting:

- Patrick Campbell-Lyons

- Ray Singer

- Alex Spyropoulos (1)

- J. Brown (2)

7" Island Records - WIP 6016 (Netherlands, 1967)

Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=14724

Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/5594161-Nirvana-Tiny-Goddess

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Posted: October 23 2023 at 14:19

Updated track listing and releases information for "Pentecost Hotel / Feelin' Shattered" by Nirvana.

1. Pentecost Hotel (3:10)

2. Feelin' Shattered (2:20)

Total Time 5:30

Releases Information:

Producers: Christopher Blackwell (1), Patrick Campbell-Lyons (2)

Arrangers, Conductors: Syd Dale (1), Alex Spyropoulos (2)

Writers: Patrick Campbell-Lyons, Alex Spyropoulos

Fontana - 269 372 TF (Germany, Mono, 1967)

Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=14725

Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/5628314-Nirvana-Pentecost-Hotel

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Posted: October 24 2023 at 01:48

Updated track listing, line-up, and releases information for "Rainbow Chaser / Flashbulb" by Nirvana.

Is it worth considering an update to the album cover too? I was not able find the album cover for this single on Discogs. (https://www.discogs.com/release/5628318-Nirvana-Rainbow-Chaser-Flashbulb/image/SW1hZ2U6MTc2NDIxMDY=)

1. Rainbow Chaser (2:38)

2. Flashbulb (2:15)

Total Time 4:53

Line-up:

- Patrick Campbell-Lyons / guitar, vocals

- Alex Spyropoulos / piano, keyboards

Releases Information:

Producers: Muff Winwood (1), Patrick Campbell-Lyons (2)

Writers: Patrick Campbell-Lyons, Alex Spyropoulos

Arrangers, Conductors: Syd Dale (1), Patrick Campbell-Lyons (2)

7" Island Records - WIP 6029 (Netherlands, 1968)

Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=14726

Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/5628318-Nirvana-Rainbow-Chaser-Flashbulb

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Posted: October 24 2023 at 04:19

Updated track listing and releases information for "Oh! What A Performance / Darling Darlene" by Nirvana.

1. Oh! What A Performance (3:05)

2. Darling Darlane (2:45)

Total Time 5:50

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Producer: Chris Thomas

Writers: Patrick Campbell-Lyons, Alex Spyropoulos

7" Island Records - WIP 6057 (Netherlands, 1969)

Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=14727

Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/1706716-Nirvana-Oh-What-A-Performance-Darling-Darlane

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Posted: October 24 2023 at 05:14

^ Thanks, all done. Except that Line-ups are mostly incomplete.

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Posted: October 24 2023 at 10:17

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=82574

1. Smoking with the Devil / Learn to Entertain Yourselves (20:19)
2. Radical (9:52)
3. Going Home (8:33)
4. Radical (Instrumental Mix) (9:05)
5. Going Home (Vocal Mix) (9:41)

Total Time 54:50

E&O Team: Thanks Mayer, done. But total time is 57:30.

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Posted: October 24 2023 at 12:53

Updated track listing, line-up, and releases information for "Two of a Kind" by Nirvana.

Also, I believe the single title should be updated to "Two of a Kind / Before Midnight".

1. Two of a Kind (3:08)

2. Before Midnight (3:55)

Total Time 7:03

Line-up:

- Patrick Campbell-Lyons / performer

- Alex Spyropoulos / performer

Note: Other credits could not be verified at this time. If you have information, please contact the site.

Releases Information:

"Before Midnight" is credited to "The Nirvana Ensemble"

"Two of a Kind" is from the album "Secrets" that would be eventually be released in 2022.

Writers: Patrick Campbell-Lyons, Alex Spyropoulos

Producers: Patrick Campbell-Lyons, Alex Spyropoulos

7" Bradley's Records - BRAD 7602 (UK, 1976)

Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=29748

Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/3358785-Nirvana-2-The-Nirvana-Ensemble-Two-Of-A-Kind-Before-Midnight

E&O Team: Thanks, done

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Posted: October 25 2023 at 01:45

Updated track listing, line-up, and releases information for "Love Is" by Nirvana.

1. Love Is (4:10)

2. Pascale (3:05)

Total Time 7:15

Line-up:

- Patrick Campbell-Lyons / performer

Note: Other credits could not be verified at this time. If you have information, please contact the site.

Releases Information:

Producer: Jonathan Hodge

Arranged: Graham Preskett

Writer: Patrick Campbell-Lyons, Dave Rowberry (1)

7" United Artists Records - 5C-006-62142 (Netherlands, 1978)

Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=22672

Discogs (1) - https://www.discogs.com/release/13775820-Nirvana-Love-Is-Pascale

Discogs (2) - https://www.discogs.com/release/5306153-Nirvana-Love-Is

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