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stonebeard
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 21:34 |
Also, this post in the Lamest Topic/Poll (whatever) thread:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Poke them a little and they reveal themselves to be right wing republicans and not libertarian at all. |
That represents a complete lack of understanding on:
1) anyone who actually calls himself a libertarian in any of the threads we have ever had on politics or economics 2) the actual spectrum on which ideologies can exist (hint: it's more than Democrat and Republican)
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The Doctor
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 21:39 |
stonebeard wrote:
Also, this post in the Lamest Topic/Poll (whatever) thread:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Poke them a little and they reveal themselves to be right wing republicans and not libertarian at all. |
That represents a complete lack of understanding on:
1) anyone who actually calls himself a libertarian in any of the threads we have ever had on politics or economics 2) the actual spectrum on which ideologies can exist (hint: it's more than Democrat and Republican) |
Well, the issue here is that we all have our opinions on the answers to the problems facing our country, but to turn every post into a dissertation on political science or macro-economics (including nitpicking the finer points between right-leaning libertarians and conservatives) is a bit pompous, don't you think? Just because we have political ideas and may even be active in politics doesn't mean that we spend hours pouring over political or economic texts for fun. I work and also have much better things to do with my time.
Edited by The Doctor - November 29 2011 at 21:41
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 21:41 |
The Doctor wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Also, this post in the Lamest Topic/Poll (whatever) thread:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Poke them a little and they reveal themselves to be right wing republicans and not libertarian at all. |
That represents a complete lack of understanding on:
1) anyone who actually calls himself a libertarian in any of the threads we have ever had on politics or economics 2) the actual spectrum on which ideologies can exist (hint: it's more than Democrat and Republican) |
Well, the issue here is that we all have our opinions on the answers to the problems facing our country, but to turn every post into a dissertation on political science or macro-economics is a bit pompous, don't you think? Just because we have political ideas and may even be active in politics doesn't mean that we spend hours pouring over political or economic texts for fun. I work and also have much better things to do with my time.
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Fair enough, but I don't understand coming down on people who do pour over economic and political text and spout off their opinions in related threads.
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 21:44 |
"A politician is not as narrow-minded as he forces himself to be." Will Rogers
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The Doctor
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 21:45 |
stonebeard wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Also, this post in the Lamest Topic/Poll (whatever) thread:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Poke them a little and they reveal themselves to be right wing republicans and not libertarian at all. |
That represents a complete lack of understanding on:
1) anyone who actually calls himself a libertarian in any of the threads we have ever had on politics or economics 2) the actual spectrum on which ideologies can exist (hint: it's more than Democrat and Republican) |
Well, the issue here is that we all have our opinions on the answers to the problems facing our country, but to turn every post into a dissertation on political science or macro-economics is a bit pompous, don't you think? Just because we have political ideas and may even be active in politics doesn't mean that we spend hours pouring over political or economic texts for fun. I work and also have much better things to do with my time.
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Fair enough, but I don't understand coming down on people who do pour over economic and political text and spout off their opinions in related threads. |
Spouting off ideas is fine, but some of them do exactly what you were accusing Slarti of, nitpicking. Hell, you just did it yourself about his post on poke them enough... I find the libertarians among us are more likely to nitpick than we are. So, they shouldn't nitpick us because we don't have the time, desire, life of leisure to pour over those texts.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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The Doctor
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 21:49 |
I give you exhibit A:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Unfortunately you tried to argue libertarian or neo-con as a
false dichotomy. Your statement is true, but it's misleading. Nobody
ever argued that point with you.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 21:50 |
The Doctor wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Also, this post in the Lamest Topic/Poll (whatever) thread:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Poke them a little and they reveal themselves to be right wing republicans and not libertarian at all. |
That represents a complete lack of understanding on:
1) anyone who actually calls himself a libertarian in any of the threads we have ever had on politics or economics 2) the actual spectrum on which ideologies can exist (hint: it's more than Democrat and Republican) |
Well, the issue here is that we all have our opinions on the answers to the problems facing our country, but to turn every post into a dissertation on political science or macro-economics is a bit pompous, don't you think? Just because we have political ideas and may even be active in politics doesn't mean that we spend hours pouring over political or economic texts for fun. I work and also have much better things to do with my time.
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Fair enough, but I don't understand coming down on people who do pour over economic and political text and spout off their opinions in related threads. |
Spouting off ideas is fine, but some of them do exactly what you were accusing Slarti of, nitpicking. Hell, you just did it yourself about his post on poke them enough... I find the libertarians among us are more likely to nitpick than we are. So, they shouldn't nitpick us because we don't have the time, desire, life of leisure to pour over those texts.
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Nitpicking is the wrong word for it. We all nitpick, really and that's not bad. It's more just whenever a libertarian makes a point, it's thought of in a left and right dichotomy, which doesn't actually exist. It seems like willfully ignoring what people are actually saying, from my point of view. I would never look at Equality and call him a right wing republican or something like that. It just doesn't follow.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 21:51 |
Exhibit A of your inability to remember or understand our discussion?
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 21:51 |
stonebeard wrote:
Also, this post in the Lamest Topic/Poll (whatever) thread:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Poke them a little and they reveal themselves to be right wing republicans and not libertarian at all. |
That represents a complete lack of understanding on:
1) anyone who actually calls himself a libertarian in any of the threads we have ever had on politics or economics 2) the actual spectrum on which ideologies can exist (hint: it's more than Democrat and Republican) |
OK any child can play your game. That represents a complete understand on: 1) what I've read you guy(s) saying on both politics and economics. 2) pretending that there's some special spectrum other than a mix of left and right, democrat, republican, conservative, liberal or whatever the else you want to throw in to it. Mostly I hear this crap about socialism and communism usually hurled as insults against people who have a different point of view from you. The political spectrum isn't simple, don't arrogantly presume that you are all wise and all knowing about it.
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 29 2011 at 21:52
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 21:55 |
Politics is applesauce..........Will Rogers
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 21:59 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
The political spectrum isn't simple |
Then why do you think libertarians here are right wing republicans?
Slartibartfast wrote:
don't arrogantly presume that you are all wise and all knowing about it. |
I'm not, but I am stating that you come across as a person who does not want to acknowledge ideology past the little (D) or (R) after a pundits name on the television.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 22:25 |
stonebeard wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
The political spectrum isn't simple |
Then why do you think libertarians here are right wing republicans? Y'all may not be perfect right wing republicans but you seem to share a lot of the ideas.
Slartibartfast wrote:
don't arrogantly presume that you are all wise and all knowing about it. |
I'm not, but I am stating that you come across as a person who does not want to acknowledge ideology past the little (D) or (R) after a pundits name on the television. Not paying attention, kind of sad.
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At some point I really get the impression I am responding to some asinine computer program. The D and R are the only choices we're given in major elections. Sure we had Ross Perot and John Anderson once upon a time. They aren't given the (D) or (R) after the pundits name on the television screen. You sometimes don't even get that after the elected politician's name accurately if you watch on Fox News. The democrats are more on the side of the average people, it may be marginal but the lesser of two evils is still less evil. Even the d's aren't a uniform, group, there are plenty who are on the right side. But that's doesn't take away those who are. Anyway, I'm hoping for third party candidates to Romney when he wins the nomination...
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Exhibit A of your inability to remember or understand our discussion?
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What was the middle part?
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 29 2011 at 22:49
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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The T
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 23:30 |
^Slarti, what you fail to realize (or your posts fail to convey) is that there is way more than just D vs R in the world of ideology. That the ridiculous American system only gives you two choices and that the media outlets play the same game to gain audiences (game played both by your hated FoxNews as well as Msnbc or CNn) doesn't mean the world of ideas is so stupidly simple.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 23:44 |
Ah! Guys cmon gunna let Slart troll ya like that? Especially Drewbeard of all people :(
Either that or you realize it but are plowing along seriously because your hatred of government has consumed a sense of humor :( :(
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 29 2011 at 23:50 |
JJLehto wrote:
Ah! Guys cmon gunna let Slart troll ya like that? Especially Drewbeard of all people :(
Either that or you realize it but are plowing along seriously because your hatred of government has consumed a sense of humor :( :(
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I have a sense of humor for sure. Adding a laughing icon on the end of a sentence doesn't count as humor to me. Also, I'm drunk now no offense slart.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 30 2011 at 01:45 |
Not saying it was good humor at all but I also think we know Slart by this point.
Cmon gents, he's not that good at trolling! Bad Slart *wags finger*
Edited by JJLehto - November 30 2011 at 01:45
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 30 2011 at 08:18 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Exhibit A of your inability to remember or understand our discussion?
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What was the middle part?
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It depends. Sometimes it's the median.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: November 30 2011 at 08:28 |
How many standard deviations from the mean does a thread have to be to become libertarian?
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 30 2011 at 08:38 |
How many roads must the free market pave, before you call yourself a libertarian? How many seas must a white dove sail, before the guvment ends all its fail?
I am very tired cut me some slack
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TheMasterMofo
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Posted: November 30 2011 at 17:00 |
The Doctor wrote:
People are not paid based on the amount of work they do in
the private sector either. I would strongly dispute that a CEO does 475
times more work than a janitor, yet that is what he often makes. I
would say, if that were the case, the janitor should probably make more
than the CEO. And the people who actually produce products (the
laborers) should be the highest paid in the company. |
Partially it makes sense that a CEO gets paid more than a janitor,
though, because (In theory, anyway...) a CEO should have special
training, skillsets, and intelligence that make him or her a good CEO,
whereas a lot more people could be good janitors without any training or
rare skills. Just like not everyone could just walk in off the street and teach my English classes the way they're supposed to be taught, but most people could pick up a broom and do a decent job sweeping off the floors.
The T wrote:
Obviously, you mistook my post for a serious one. |
No, but it was a good chance to whine about senators getting paid more than me.
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