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Only I know how the universe started and as a special one time offer, only Here and Now, for $19.99 you may receive my edumacated best guess and for the first ten buyers I will throw in a copy of my award winning lecture "how to know what you don`t know you know"
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 13:49
timothy leary wrote:
Only I know how the universe started and as a special one time offer, only Here and Now, for $19.99 you may receive my edumacated best guess and for the first ten buyers I will throw in a copy of my award winning lecture "how to know what you don`t know you know"
Sorry, but I'm going to give away for free what you need to be edumacated courtesy of Donald Rumsfeld: "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we
know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we
know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown
unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."
Edited by Slartibartfast - July 21 2010 at 13:50
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 13:50
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^^ What does faith have to do with it? I guess you could say that I'm confident. Looking back at past discoveries, there is a pattern of religious people claiming that some things cannot be explained by science and then some scientist came along and did so. There is no faith involved, just experience and extrapolation..
Something defies the laws of physics today
You don't know if you will ever be able to explain it
You have confidence that in a near future you will be able to explain it
By definition,
b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust
THIS IS FAITH, faith in science, or faith in human intellect, but faith at last.
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
And even if we'll never find out how exactly the universe was created, that still doesn't mean that the only explanation is "God did it - and that's all there is to know".
And even if you find out how the universe was created doesn't mean that God wasn't behind it.
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
I'm very different from you. I rely only on scientific facts and assumptions based on the real world - like for example that the sun will rise tomorrow, just as it did today. If you think that this also involves faith, then everything does, and the word "faith" becomes absolutely meaningless.
Without any scientific evidence, you believe that you will be able to explain s0omething that you can't ex´plain today...THAT'S FAITH
BTW: Thanks Gd for the difference between you and me..
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
]You have faith in that the communion wafer becomes the actual body of Christ. We can examine that wafer scientifically and everything tells us that it's just a wafer, yet your religion requires you to ignore all that and trust that it's the actual body of Christ, and that somehow eating the flesh of your savior has some bearing on your life. I'd like to think that this is a very different kind of faith compared to my confidence that at some point scientific advances might make it possible to completely explain the structure of our universe, and how it was created..I'm not saying that it *will* happen - I'm not making any positive claim in the absence of evidence
You believe in something that can't be explained just as we believe in transubstantiation that can't be explained.
You have expressed an almost absolute confidence that at some point (Don't know when or where), you will be able to explain something you believe in that you don't understand and you are not able to explain...That's faith
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 13:56
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Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Doesn't Dawkins look as a fundamentalist preacher in his pulpit explaining his own perception of religion in front of a fanatic crowd ready to applaud anything he says?
Iván
Just when I thought your arguments couldn't get any worse ...
Well, maybe others will watch the video instead of jumping to premature conclusions.
I have watched it and found a congregation ready to applaud any joke or "reductio ad absurdum" that Dawkins makes. And ready to cheer when he evades a question.
If I brought here any sermon by the Pare de Sufrir Congregation, you will see hundreds of persons ready to laugh when the self proclaimed pastor, makes mockery of atheists.
Both are intelligent men, they know how to play with the audience and both are able to gather a congregation after them.
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 13:57
JJLehto wrote:
I like the Big Band Theory. And this is not to make fun of anyone, but a Big Band that plays for God, after all he had good taste in music, was too loud one day and started the Universe.
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 13:57
The T wrote:
Ivan, is the communion of the wafer just a symbolic act or do you really believe you're in some way that you are eating the body of Christ?
That's what I would've answered if I was a catholic. It's just a symbolic act. Isn't it?
I think that was always supposed to be symbolic. Personally I think Jesus' actual flesh would taste much better. Maybe marinate it in something nice, grill it up...
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 14:03
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Doesn't Dawkins look as a fundamentalist preacher in his pulpit explaining his own perception of religion in front of a fanatic crowd ready to applaud anything he says?
Iván
Just when I thought your arguments couldn't get any worse ...
Well, maybe others will watch the video instead of jumping to premature conclusions.
I have watched it and found a congregation ready to applaud any joke or "reductio ad absurdum" that Dawkins makes. And ready to cheer when he evades a question.
If I brought here any sermon by the Pare de Sufrir Congregation, you will see hundreds of persons ready to laugh when the self proclaimed pastor, makes mockery of atheists.
Both are intelligent men, they know how to play with the audience and both are able to gather a congregation after them.
Iván
Yes, those college students must have all been zealous atheists, especially the group from Liberty college.
Have a look at the video description:
Richard Dawkins
reads excerpts from "The God Delusion" and anwsers questions at
Randolph-Macon Woman's College in Lynchburg, Virginia on October 23,
2006. This Q&A features many questions from Jerry Falwell's Liberty
"University" students. In Richard's tour journal he says:
"Many of the questioners announced themselves as either students or
faculty from Liberty, rather than from Randolph Macon which was my host
institution. One by one they tried to trip me up, and one by one their
failure to do so was applauded by the audience. Finally, I said that my
advice to all Liberty students was to resign immediately and apply to a
proper university instead. That received thunderous applause, so that I
almost began to feel slightly sorry for the Liberty people. Only almost
and only slightly, however."
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 14:05
timothy leary wrote:
there is that waffle house mentality...damn southerners
I really want to go into a Waffle House and try to order pancakes. After all of these years you think I might have done that. If they kicked me out, I would have to go to an International House Of Pancakes and try to order waffles, or at least a truly international pancake...
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: July 21 2010 at 14:05
JJLehto wrote:
I like the Big Band Theory. And this is not to make fun of anyone, but a Big Band that plays for God, after all he had good taste in music, was too loud one day and started the Universe.
Im publishing this
Have you read Tolkien's Silmarillion? The Music of the Ainur
Seriously his concept is beautiful and his Valar played some wonderful themes.
edit: I see Mike beat me to it ^^^
Edited by Chris S - July 21 2010 at 14:07
<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian
...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR]
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Padraic wrote:
Maybe marinate it in something nice, grill it up...
