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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2006 at 18:07
Syzygy has added THE CAMBERWELL NOW
 
Here is the bio he wrote:
 
 
 
 
After THIS HEAT broke up in 1982 Gareth Williams departed for India to study music and dance, and Charles Bullen recorded sporadically but concentrated on work as a sound engineer. Charles Hayward formed THE CAMBERWELL NOW with Trefor Goronwy, who had been part of the short lived touring 4 piece version of THIS HEAT, and tape manipulator Steven Rickard. The band continued to work in Cold Storage, THIS HEAT 's studio, and released an album and two 12" singles from 1983 - 1986.

Charles Bullen appeared as a guest on their first 12" single, 'Meridian'. There was a slightly tentative feel to the music, as though the band had yet to establish its identity, but it contains some strong material. Their solitary album, 'The Ghost Trade', came out in 1985 and was a superb piece of work that established THE CAMBERWELL NOW as a musical force to be reckoned with. Their final release, 'Greenfingers', was another 12" single that included an old THIS HEAT song. On all of their releases there is a sense of space that was often lackig in the sometimes claustrophobic recordings of THIS HEAT. Hayward and Goronwy coalesced into a phenomenal rhythm section, and the recordings gave them plenty of room to flex their musical muscles. Steven Rickard's tape work was innovative - he designed a keyboard set up to trigger the recordings, effectively creating an analogue sampler. The lyrics were explicitly political, something Hayward sees as contributing to the band's limited commercial success.

They are sometimes referred to as a continuation of THIS HEAT, but this is an over simplification; the relationship is more like that of MATCHING MOLE to SOFT MACHINE, or ART BEARS to HENRY COW. THE CAMBERWELL NOW created a sound and identity of their own, and made a crucial but rather overlooked contribution to the RIO genre in the 1980s. 'All's Well', a CD containing nearly all of their officially released material, was released in 1992 and remains in print.

 
 
 
 
Chris, I guess we will be reading a review of them by you soon, won't we?
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2006 at 07:10
I'll get around to reviewing in the next few days. I'll probably just review 'All's Well' as that's the only available album and it contains pretty much everything they ever did. If you like This Heat you'll like Camberwell Now, in the same way that if you like early Soft Machine you'll like Matching Mole. 
 
I'll also be adding Charles Hayward's solo output sometime soon, and I'll be interviewing the man himself in the next few weeks. Feel free to suggest questions etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2006 at 07:55
Looks like I will have to check out Caberwell Now sometime soon. I just had a look at my local stores stock and "All's Well" is avaliable for order, so it will be something to think about. I might wait for your review before making any decision, as it is quite pricy.

This is great news about Charles Hayward getting added to the archives! I have only recently brought "Skew-Whiff (a tribute to Mark Rothko)" which has been hitting the player quite often is it's purchase. What else from his material can you give positive words about?   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2006 at 20:25
Just thought people might be interested in this. Cunieform records has the sample of the new Nebelnest album coming out this year in September. Anyway here is the link, have a listen and see what you think

http://www.cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/nebelnest.html

Also this band is not exactly RIO but I thought it may appeal to the people in this thread. I thought I would mention them as they on the Cunieform Records label. I think this is something James is going to be interested in. The band is Hughscore and this is what the site has to say about them.

"hird time's a charm! This is the third release by the hugely influencial UK bassist & composer Hugh Hopper, along with Seattle musicians Fred Chalenor- bass & guitar, Elaine di Falco-Rhodes, organ, Wurlitzer, synth, accordion & voice and Tucker Martine-drums, plus guests. In addition to the great playing that you would expect, the biggest pleasure about this release is the really rich pieces composed by Hugh & beautifully sung by Elaine. Hugh hasn't worked with songs so successfully [or a singer this good] since Soft Machine Volume Two! And yes, there are lots of fabulous instrumental passage too. For me, this is one of the very best things that Hugh has done in the last 20 years!"

http://www.cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/hughscore.html

I have this album which is on Cunieform so it anybody is interested just express you interest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2006 at 07:28
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Why isn't Idiot Flesh listed on the archives?


Oh, I didn't realise they were not, I guess they will have to go through the selection process. They indeed are a sorely forgotten about band.


Joren is that a Bathory album I see as your Avatar
    


It sure is... Big smile I am currently experiencing a renewed interest in metal music. Wink

I have added Idiot Flesh to the voting chart BTW. Thumbs Up




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2006 at 23:11
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Just thought people might be interested in this. Cunieform records has the sample of the new Nebelnest album coming out this year in September. Anyway here is the link, have a listen and see what you think

http://www.cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/nebelnest.html

Also this band is not exactly RIO but I thought it may appeal to the people in this thread. I thought I would mention them as they on the Cunieform Records label. I think this is something James is going to be interested in. The band is Hughscore and this is what the site has to say about them.

"hird time's a charm! This is the third release by the hugely influencial UK bassist & composer Hugh Hopper, along with Seattle musicians Fred Chalenor- bass & guitar, Elaine di Falco-Rhodes, organ, Wurlitzer, synth, accordion & voice and Tucker Martine-drums, plus guests. In addition to the great playing that you would expect, the biggest pleasure about this release is the really rich pieces composed by Hugh & beautifully sung by Elaine. Hugh hasn't worked with songs so successfully [or a singer this good] since Soft Machine Volume Two! And yes, there are lots of fabulous instrumental passage too. For me, this is one of the very best things that Hugh has done in the last 20 years!"

http://www.cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/hughscore.html

I have this album which is on Cunieform so it anybody is interested just express you interest.


Thanks Adam! Thumbs Up

I only know of Hughscore, because of the slip of cardboard that came with 1984, that has all Hopper related Cuneiform releases listed on it (as well other Canterbury artists).

As for Hatfields debut, I have it and it's excellent, so well done on purchasing a copy.  I need to get an original copy of The Rotter's Club eventually.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 21:51
I have been thinking about getting the Painkiller Collected Works boxset. So I wondering whether anyone can recommend this to me? It is down at my local store; taking into account it is quiet expensive I wanted to make sure the other albums are worth it. I have only hear Guts of a Virgin. What are the others like?    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2006 at 19:46
I'm amazed this thread has died so quickly.   Big smile

Thanks to everyone who contributed.  Lot's of interesting information to sift through.

I can't believe, though, that the legendary 5UU's were widely dismissed with such casual disregard.    They are a superb band.    And there has been no mention at all of U Totem!   Surely, the self-titled album by U Totem is one of the best RIO/avant albums ever created!

Still, I've discovered some interesting bands in this thread, so thanks again to all concerned.  

     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2006 at 20:51
Mind you, this thread hasn't died! Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2006 at 20:55
Indeed, it's not died just yet, it's just been on hiatus!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2006 at 05:23
Originally posted by oddentity oddentity wrote:

I'm amazed this thread has died so quickly.   Big smile

Thanks to everyone who contributed.  Lot's of interesting information to sift through.

I can't believe, though, that the legendary 5UU's were widely dismissed with such casual disregard.    They are a superb band.    And there has been no mention at all of U Totem!   Surely, the self-titled album by U Totem is one of the best RIO/avant albums ever created!

Still, I've discovered some interesting bands in this thread, so thanks again to all concerned.  

     
 
I don't recall seeing 5UUs discussed. I've been listening to Hunger's Teeth and Crisis In Clay a lot recently, and fine albums they are too. I have also heard U Totem - maybe you could give a bit more info on them?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2006 at 06:42
If I recall correctly, several people mentioned (on page 1357 or thereabouts) that they had tried a few samples of the 5UU's and thought they weren't much chop.    Naturally, I was amazed.   
 
I've been listening to Hunger's Teeth and Crisis in Clay quite a bit lately as well - they're great!    I love those quirky, off-centre melodies which they inject everywhere, particularly in the instrumental passages.   I like the way they can make their music seem so melodic and catchy, even though it is completely off-the-wall.   As others have said, they are like Yes gone mad.   
 
U Totem is an amalgamation of 5UU's and Motor Totemist Guild.   Their first album, which is self-titled, is one of the best progressive rock albums ever made, in my opinion.    The compositions are very sophisticated and cover a lot of styles - everything from medieval/baroque to 20th century classical to straight prog rock to pure RIO.   The instrumentation is rich and natural - incorporating flute, piano, bassoon, guitar, bass, and drums.   The playing is of a very high quality, which gives the music a rich timbre.    
 
Added to this, some of the vocal passages are amazing as well.  For example, there is one section in which three separate voices (two female and one male) sing three different interweaving melodies in three different languages, all to superb effect.    It shouldn't really work, but somehow it does.   This section is featured in the opening track, One Nail Draws Another, which to my mind is 15 minutes of the finest prog ever made.     
 
Their second album, Strange Attractors, is also very good, but not quite in the same class as their first one.   I'd still highly recommend it, though. 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2006 at 07:21
Yes I am quite sure it would have been me talking about 5uu's in such a manor and I am still yet to be blown away by the band. But then again I have not heard the supposed key albums; I am hoping my opinions change with the enlightenment of prior works. I am quite fond of Dave Kerman's other bands, in particular Ahvak so there is hope for me yet.

oddentity, thanks for the information about U Totem, I think I have an album on my computer which I will get around to listening to sometime soon, so much thanks for the reminder.

Also I have come aross a large lump of  Tzadik (in particular the New Japan scene) bands which I'm going to be trying to disgest over the next little while. So I will update people on some of those in the coming weeks, if there is any interest.  

Also oddentity whereabouts in Australia are you hailing from?

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2006 at 09:06
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Yes I am quite sure it would have been me talking about 5uu's in such a manor and I am still yet to be blown away by the band. But then again I have not heard the supposed key albums; I am hoping my opinions change with the enlightenment of prior works.

 


Find yourself Hunger's Teeth, their first album. If that doesn't blow you away, I'm not sure what will. Unfortunately, 5uu's became more mediocre after each release.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2006 at 19:58

Anyone notice the quote of "The Ancient" in Crisis In Clay?    From my understanding, the 5UUs weren't big fans of Yes.     So I'm not sure if they were paying hommage to Yes's most avant-garde work, or mocking it.   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2006 at 22:44
Aha! I've come back just in time to help you with Painkiller Black Velvet! If you like Guts of a Virgin, you will LOVE Collected Works. I am a huge Painkiller fan and the dub sections of Collected works are some of the best of their output. They take the Painkiller sound and subdue it as to not leave you in constant pain, breaking apart the extreme noise with solemn dub bass and thunderous echoes. The Guts of a Virgin album is paired with Buried Secrets, both in the same vein of extreme noise thrash free jazz. If you're up for it, you'll love it. The last disc is an incredible live disc which sounds like a combination of all that Painkiller is with estatic energy and a hilarious insane Yamatsuka Eye screaming in a battle with Zorn. I love the box set of Painkiller and despite owning it, get a feeling of joy when I see it in a store, almost ready to buy it again. Again, if you don't like Painkiller, don't go here, but if you think you do, embrace it with open arms. If you're on the fence, check out the dub cds in the Painkiller set, they're what changed my mind and made me love the group even more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2006 at 07:40
Interesting SMEGMA newsflash

I should have told you this before, but hey, better late than never... when I was in Dublin a few weeks ago, I went to a bookstore and one of my friends found this:



She actually found a magazine with Smegma on the cover!!! Ahh, where would I be without my friends?! Naturally I bought it, and it contains a pagelong interview/article about the band, revealing general biographical information and some interesting details. (Did you know that naming the band Smegma was actually a big fat wink to Magma?? Big smile) Apart from that, I found out that WIRE is a very intersting magazine overall, that I will probably buy again in the future (it contains info on several avant-garde music styles, including, but not limited to, free jazz and sometimes RIO).

Anyway, this is the August issue, and it's still available through WIRE's official website:
http://www.thewire.co.uk/back/2006_08.php
If you like Smegma, GET IT! Clap (Needless to say I will be using this article when I'm going to write the Smegma bio for the Archives. Thumbs Up)

And as if this weren't enough, I also found this: the Smegma fansite recently included links to two freely downloadable Smegma CD's!!!
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Gala/8418/tzpCD10.html

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Gala/8418/tzp14.html

And here, as the frosting on the cake, is the link to a short video of Smegma I found on the web:
http://users2.ev1.net/~bradleybe/Smeg1999cMovie.mov

I hope I pleased the Smegmaholics (or should I say: Smegmaniacs Wink) on the forum - I know there are at least a few. LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2006 at 13:56
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Interesting news indeed - I picked up that edition of The Wire (one of my regular purchases) and I'll defrinitely check out the downloads.
 
Yesterday I attended a low key outdoor gig in Deptford by Charles Hayward, Lol Coxhill and Tom Challenger (I'd never heard of Tom Challenger before - a pretty good tenor sax player). It was highly enjoyable to hear free jazz in an East London herb garden - there were about 30 - 40 people present, few of whom appeared to be afficianados of free improv but all of whom seemed to enjoy it. Coxhill and Hayward played a blindingly good duet, with Coxhill on sopranino rather than his usual soprano sax.
 
I also had a chance to have a quick chat with Charles Hayward, who is off to play at Jean Herve Peron's avant garde festival in Schiphorst next week. We'll fix up a date for an interview when he gets back, and from what he said there are some interesting releases and shows coming up in the near future.
 
And off on a total tangent, Thomas Dimuzio's website has loads of free downloads - http://www.thomasdimuzio.com/ - he's worked with Chris Cutler and 5UUs among others. Follow the Gench link and you'll also find some live downloads - I've downloaded 4 cds worth of his electronica and I'm definitely going to pick up the albums he did with Chris Cutler soon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2006 at 17:56
Thanks for the downloads guys. I haven't heard Smegma yet, but I will know. Thumbs Up

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:11
Hi people,
 
First of all thanks to Joren and Chris for those links
 
Second, I have gone through Wayside Music, Lasre's Edge and ReR USA and if you are interested in those little known bands (Kombinat M, Forever Einstein, Dr. Nerve etc) you should chaeck those sites for the clearance items as you can find several good deals there.
I found the Kombinat M and Forever Einstein for 4$, and there are other nice deals.
On Laser's Edge, you can find clearance items for 9$ and less and for all those there is an additional 10% discount until the end of August
 
 
 
http://www.lasercd.com/default.asp    (look in Clearance Items).
 
You can also check Big Ballon Music store here:
 
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