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NaturalScience wrote: Try some Afenginn as well Vic, if you haven't already.

I have. I don't like Akrobakkus very much.

James wrote: Ricochet wrote: James, can you fill me in why the Henry Cow CDs are added separately into the Archives? I thought boxsets are added as boxsets. I mean, I certainly haven't added all the 115 CDs from Schulze's boxsets... Because each CD has a separate cover.  Also, someone may want to review only one album of the boxset.  Also, Volume 6 was released separately before the rest of the box and has a rating already, so it's only fair to add the others separately.  And also you can, if you really want to, only purchase half of the boxset (either volumes 1 to 5 or volumes 6 to 10), Finally, it contains a DVD and again, I feel a DVD should be highlighted separately as well.

Nope, still doesn't feel right.

Schulze's boxsets also had different covers for every CD.

Boxsets are a release in themselves, and I think they should be highlighted as such.

Perhaps only split volume 1-5 and 6-10, because of what you've said.

The release of S & G (volume 6) has nothing to do with its later reintegration in the 10-CD volume. Both are individual releases.

At this point, I'd ask for a merge, only one entry for the entire boxset, or two for the halves. Splitting every CD for reviewing and special highlighting has a "fanon" character. Meanwhile, it doesn't work with the way the Archives have dealed with the boxsets so far.

Shakti, Opeth, Tangerine Dream, Jethro Tull, Schulze, Genesis and many others. All these artists have boxsets comprised of several CDs, each with covers and everything, some also with CD + DVDs.

One entry, one rating.

Now Henry Cow deserves special treatement?


Edited by Ricochet - March 04 2009 at 02:37

James wrote: Ricochet wrote: James wrote: Ricochet wrote: James, can you fill me in why the Henry Cow CDs are added separately into the Archives? I thought boxsets are added as boxsets. I mean, I certainly haven't added all the 115 CDs from Schulze's boxsets... Because each CD has a separate cover.  Also, someone may want to review only one album of the boxset.  Also, Volume 6 was released separately before the rest of the box and has a rating already, so it's only fair to add the others separately.  And also you can, if you really want to, only purchase half of the boxset (either volumes 1 to 5 or volumes 6 to 10), Finally, it contains a DVD and again, I feel a DVD should be highlighted separately as well. Nope, still doesn't feel right. Schulze's boxsets also had different covers for every CD. Boxsets are a release in themselves, and I think they should be highlighted as such. Perhaps only split volume 1-5 and 6-10, because of what you've said. The release of S & G (volume 6) has nothing to do with its later reintegration in the 10-CD volume. Both are individual releases. At this point, I'd ask for a merge, only one entry for the entire boxset, or two for the halves. Splitting every CD for reviewing and special highlighting has a "fanon" character. Meanwhile, it doesn't work with the way the Archives have dealed with the boxsets so far. Well I certainly plan to review each CD separately eventually.  I don't think it would feel right reviewing 5 CDs at a time.  There's just too much music to review and the review would be huge. Also, each CD has its own Recommended Records Catalogue number and it's not easy to put all the information for each CD in the Release Information box.  Some of the CDs are concerts in their own right too.  So they should be classed as live albums in theory. Reviewing a set of studio out-takes, followed by a live performance in one review, just wouldn't feel right to me.

This is not about reviewing only, it's first of all about how you catalogue an artist's music. Boxsets are boxsets, they deserve a proper entry. Henry Cow haven't released 10 CDs, they've released something called "The 40th Anniversary boxset".

It's no problem putting all the informations about each album below the full tracklist of the boxsets.

Boxsets can contain both live and studio music, both audio and video stuff, so it's no problem considering them boxsets! It's the nature of boxsets, Henry Cow have brought nothing new under the sun.

About reviewing, one would just have to write a huge review, treating every album in particular. It's perfectly okay and logical, as well.

Should mystic fred review every CD of the total of 12 from the Genesis latest boxset, by splitting them individually?

I reviewed every CD from the Silver and Historical Editions by Schulze (true, a bit more summarily), but it was done in one review.



Edited by Ricochet - March 04 2009 at 02:47

Ultimate Edition, not Gold Edition.  And I'll review it properly, in one review. Of course, I won't have to review those previous boxsets that are re-integrated in it, I'll only extensively review the last 5 CDs of the boxset, which are new.

Still, you're not getting my point. Reviewing, and desiring to review each album individually doesn't change the fact that we don't split boxsets into their individual CDs. So you still haven't answered: why the special treatement for Henry Cow? The boxset is a release, just like In Praise of Huffing and Western Culture, and S & G were also releases. The 10 CDs of the release are parts of the release.

I'm not impressed with people's preferences towards reviewing a boxset - or, worse, just a bit from the boxset - as long as it doesn't comply with the rules we currently have for adding boxsets. I always followed the rules, even if, as I've said, I had to write a 4000-words review for that Schulze Editions, instead of a 1000-words one.

I'm thinking of bringing this up with all the Collaborators. There's been a serious change in the addition procedure, to say the least.


Edited by Ricochet - March 04 2009 at 03:03

Ben.

Good morning, Ben.

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James wrote: Ricochet wrote: James wrote: Ricochet wrote: James, can you fill me in why the Henry Cow CDs are added separately into the Archives? I thought boxsets are added as boxsets. I mean, I certainly haven't added all the 115 CDs from Schulze's boxsets... Because each CD has a separate cover.  Also, someone may want to review only one album of the boxset.  Also, Volume 6 was released separately before the rest of the box and has a rating already, so it's only fair to add the others separately.  And also you can, if you really want to, only purchase half of the boxset (either volumes 1 to 5 or volumes 6 to 10), Finally, it contains a DVD and again, I feel a DVD should be highlighted separately as well. Nope, still doesn't feel right. Schulze's boxsets also had different covers for every CD. Boxsets are a release in themselves, and I think they should be highlighted as such. Perhaps only split volume 1-5 and 6-10, because of what you've said. The release of S & G (volume 6) has nothing to do with its later reintegration in the 10-CD volume. Both are individual releases. At this point, I'd ask for a merge, only one entry for the entire boxset, or two for the halves. Splitting every CD for reviewing and special highlighting has a "fanon" character. Meanwhile, it doesn't work with the way the Archives have dealed with the boxsets so far. Well I certainly plan to review each CD separately eventually.  I don't think it would feel right reviewing 5 CDs at a time.  There's just too much music to review and the review would be huge. Also, each CD has its own Recommended Records Catalogue number and it's not easy to put all the information for each CD in the Release Information box.  Some of the CDs are concerts in their own right too.  So they should be classed as live albums in theory. Reviewing a set of studio out-takes, followed by a live performance in one review, just wouldn't feel right to me.

totally with Vic on this one....  what makes Henry Cow so goddamned special that they get an exception to site rules.  Bad move James...  and you should know better than that.  We are collabs.. not fanboys.