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SteveG

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Posted: September 20 2021 at 10:26

Easy Money wrote:

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Even that is not a sure thing for the truth. An old friend of mine is a podiatrist and a diehard Trump fan that believes in the big lie, laughs at masks and thinks the vaccines are dangerous. So, even a respected doctor like him is full of it.

Interesting. Lately I have been seeing many doctors due to having cancer and problems related to cancer and they all (around 15) all say the same things, mask, vaccine, social distance etc.
I do know a nurse who thinks the vaccine needs to be around longer before she is trying it, but otherwise she is pretty careful about Covid. She works in the local ICU and has seen many people die.

Oh, most medical people I know are all for the masks and vaccines, but they're are a few that are driven by their politics. You know, the expert physicians on Fox News, for example.

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Posted: September 20 2021 at 11:14

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if you profess that I Am better, I Am ____ free. This is what will be manifest, but there must be zero doubt about it. Not easy...

Not desirable for me, either.

BTW, this is ludicrous when coupled with your proclamation about "questioning everything". Really...

I'm aware of some of our mental powers too, but I prefer to be original in that. Not like an indoctrinated puppet.

Not sure why you felt the need to comment on an excerpt from my post. It’s not relevant to the American politics thread. I felt compelled to reply to Easy Money because it’s probably one of the most important things in his life right now.

However, I do thank you, you may be on to something. If one questions everything, how can one not interject doubt in an affirmation.

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Posted: September 20 2021 at 11:23

^ Ohhhh... the "topic" was already quite "off"...

There's the PM thing. If you want to help people, you can always use it.

You're not sure why I "felt" that need? Then, I'm not sure if your intention was "purely" to help somebody.

Anyway, unless you say some ludicrous things again, I'll not reply "off-topicly".

Deal?

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Posted: September 20 2021 at 12:09

SteveG wrote:

Easy Money wrote:

Oh, most medical people I know are all for the masks and vaccines, but they're are a few that are driven by their politics. You know, the expert physicians on Fox News, for example.

The medical profession is similar to other professions. A lot of doctors are specialists. So the ones we ought to pay attention to are virologists, epidemiologists, etc., and not just one, but the group of doctors in that field as a whole. Fox News' "experts" tend to be experts in fields that aren't relevant to whatever topic they're discussing (and sometimes these "experts" aren't even certified) or they're lone outliers to their own field.

They do this a lot with climate science. Bring on engineers, physicists, and what have you, that have never had a peer-reviewed article published in the field of climate science. Just put a Ph.D. label next to their name and the viewership will never notice; just as long as they push the ideology. The funny thing is they'll put on the façade that academia has something valuable to say, but then poo-poo academia later on calling it "liberal indoctrination." Fox News is essentially the WWE of the journalism world, and I hesitate to use the word "journalism" in the same sentence.

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Posted: September 20 2021 at 12:51

progaardvark wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Easy Money wrote:

Oh, most medical people I know are all for the masks and vaccines, but they're are a few that are driven by their politics. You know, the expert physicians on Fox News, for example.

Ha ha, very true. The last "expert" I listened to on Fox talking about Covid was a podiatrist like my friend. I never knew that these foot doctors were so well versed in infectious diseases!

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Posted: September 20 2021 at 13:24

SteveG wrote:

progaardvark wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Easy Money wrote:

Oh, most medical people I know are all for the masks and vaccines, but they're are a few that are driven by their politics. You know, the expert physicians on Fox News, for example.

Ha ha, very true. The last "expert" I listened to on Fox talking about Covid was a podiatrist like my friend. I never knew that these foot doctors were so well versed in infectious diseases!

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Posted: September 20 2021 at 14:06

CosmicVibration wrote:

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If you genuinely believe Biden is worse than Trump, we have a true mental schism going on in this country. Maybe there's more than one virus going around.

I agree that we have a true mental schism going on in this country. This is one of the main points I was stressing.

Religious interpretation is acceptable but scientific logic is not? Companies are granting religious exemptions but not to those with natural immunity. Medical Science has proven that vaccines for those with natural immunity is irrational. There are at least 15 studies, with the largest study group of over 6,000,000 from Israel.

Companies want to protect their employees, I get it. However, those with natural immunity have a significantly less chance of getting re-infected than those that are vaccinated. And when they do, the viral load is substantially less. They are far less of a risk to others, so what gives?

Nurses, police, firefighters and many others are protesting, getting fired and quitting due to the mandates. I bet most of them have natural immunity. They are in need and their careers and lives are at stake for no good reason. How can any intelligent human being be so obtuse to this situation?

Am I wrong? Is there something I’m overlooking as to why natural immunity should not qualify

I heard some interesting & positive things this weekend about natural immunity, and to me I'd be fine with it counting assuming there's a way to check for that. Immunity is immunity as far as I know, in fact someone who has antibodies naturally and then gets a shot or two has a ton more protection than just vaccine or illness provides.

Maybe some common ground there to work with nationally.

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Posted: September 22 2021 at 18:05

Great News. Then Indian state of Uttar Pradesh ( with a population of 241 million people) only average 24 Covid cases a day. And only 0-2 Covid deaths a day. How does the Indian State- with 73% of the population of the USA- do it?

The government has supplied the Uttar Pradesh people with ivermectin for a year. Cheap and effective Ivermectin. No wonder the inventor of Ivermectin won the "2015 Nobel prize for Medicine" for the miracle drug- ivermectin!

https://newsrescue.com/the-undeniable-ivermectin-miracle-indias-240m-populated-largest-state-uttar-pradesh-horowitz/#:~:text=However%2C%20while%20Uttar%20Pradesh%20was%20the%20first%20state,ivermectin%20widely%20and%20have%20basically%20eradicated%20the%20virus.

I'm happy folks are surviving Covid with an easy cheap medication. Life is good! Hey, Joe Rogan caught Covid...took Ivermectin...and was completely healed in less than 72 hours. Way to go Joe! Hopefully the other Joe...Joe Biden will OK ivermectin for use in the USA....

Oh, wait. Pfizer gave Biden 4xs more money than any other politician in 2020. Over $381,000.

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Posted: September 22 2021 at 19:40

Mr Ed says "Everything in Texas is bigger...even their fantasies !"

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Posted: September 23 2021 at 01:39

JD wrote:

Mr Ed says "Everything in Texas is bigger...even their fantasies !"

Some people can't use logic, critical thinking, or debate. Instead, they attack the messenger, while not addressing the message, policy, or viewpoint.

Edited by omphaloskepsis - September 23 2021 at 01:47

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Posted: September 23 2021 at 03:45

Some people can't differentiate between reliable news sources and opinion sites...

Again, I just browsed only some titles of that "news rescue" site you're linking to, just to understand that this has nothing to do with a news site, but all with a very right leaning opinion site. You know what the difference is between the two? An opinion site presents opinions as news and hides news in a trashload of opinions. A news site presents opinions clearly as opinions so we can distinguish them from real news.

The article you link to comes from The Blaze, where you linked to before and about which I have said also something before, in the same sense as what I say in the paragraph above. I can only conclude that in your blind Biden hatred you obsessively try to find news in disinformation outlets. The article is already a week old; if it was really news, all serious news agencies would have spread it widely within that week. How come they didn't? Maybe it is not really news, other than fake news?

Now, let me link to an opinion piece (clearly presented as such) in a real newspaper, The Guardian, just because I think it is an interesting read: It’s shocking to see so many leftwingers lured to the far right by conspiracy theories. I recommend you to read it, and to continue to read after this quote "There’s a temptation to overthink this, and we should never discount the role of sheer bloody idiocy."...

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Posted: September 23 2021 at 04:27

omphaloskepsis wrote:

Great News. Then Indian state of Uttar Pradesh ( with a population of 241 million people) only average 24 Covid cases a day. And only 0-2 Covid deaths a day. How does the Indian State- with 73% of the population of the USA- do it?

Oh, wait. Pfizer gave Biden 4xs more money than any other politician in 2020. Over $381,000.

Cindy, I know that you don't realize this, but $381,000 is chump change for a company like Pfizer and a pittance as far as campaign contributions go. 4x? Is that more Blaze reporting? For an example, do you recall that Bill Maher gave Obama one million dollars way back in 2008?

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Posted: September 23 2021 at 06:24

SteveG wrote:

Oh, wait. Pfizer gave Biden 4xs more money than any other politician in 2020. Over $381,000.

Nope, that's government reporting.

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Posted: September 23 2021 at 06:40

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Some people can't differentiate between reliable news sources and opinion sites...

I did not care about the opinion. I cared about the Stats.

1. A Stat that reports in a country of 241 million people that the government is distributing Ivermectin to the population.

2. A Stat that reports in a country of 241 million people, that the daily Covid Case average is 24 cases.

3 A Stat that reports in a country of 241 million people, that the daily Covid Death average is between 0-2.

4. Unless Joe Rogan and his doctors lied...Rogan cured himself in three days of Covid with a vitamin/Ivermectin cocktail.

Yes, it's my opinion that fewer deaths is a good thing. Are fewer deaths actually a good thing? No, that just my opinion and the opinion of the writer. Tell you what Suitees, why don't you try and prove that Uttar Pradesh has not almost defeated Covid with Ivermectin.

Why don't you do your own research on Uttar Pradesh's handling of Ivermectin? There are plenty of articles on the subject. In case you don't know how to research, I'll post a few links. You do know how to cut and Paste...don't you Suitkees?

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/uttar-pradesh-government-says-early-use-of-ivermectin-helped-to-keep-positivity-deaths-low/ar-BB1gDp5U

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-government-says-ivermectin-helped-to-keep-deaths-low-7311786/

https://operationdisclosureofficial.com/2021/09/19/reader-uttar2-ivermectin-in-india/

https://www.citizensjournal.us/same-ivermectin-that-us-government-doesnt-want-americans-to-receive-is-saving-lives-across-india/#:~:text=Beginning%20in%20late%202020%2C%20authorities%20in%20Uttar%20Pradesh,preventatively.%20This%20advic

The only news source that I know of... that has never had to retract an article is Wikileaks. It founder Julian Assange is in prison. That's what happened to whistleblowers.

Name your favorite news source Suitkees, and I'll prove that your favorite news source told multiple lies over the last year.

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Posted: September 23 2021 at 06:42

omphaloskepsis wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Oh, wait. Pfizer gave Biden 4xs more money than any other politician in 2020. Over $381,000.

Nope, that's government reporting.

Which government? Russia's and China's don't count.

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Posted: September 23 2021 at 06:45

This is old but a more realistic number:

By the end of June, corporate contributions to super PACs — that is, contributions directly from corporations and not from their executives or in-house super PACs — had reached $10.9 million for the entire 2014 election cycle, according to a review of FEC records by The Huffington Post.

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Posted: September 23 2021 at 06:57

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Nope, that's government reporting.

[/QUOTE]Which government? Russia's and China's don't count.

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I'm not going to do your research for you Steven. Why don't you look it up?

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Posted: September 23 2021 at 07:09

omphaloskepsis wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Which government? Russia's and China's don't count.

I'm not going to do your research for you Steven. Why don't you look it up?

That's probably a good thing Steve. I certainly find her research skills to be lacking, and that's about as polite a comment I can make on it.

EDIT: Had to fix the BBcode quotes that she keeps messing up.

Edited by progaardvark - September 23 2021 at 07:12

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Posted: September 23 2021 at 07:19

"You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it."

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Posted: September 23 2021 at 07:43

progaardvark wrote:

omphaloskepsis wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Which government? Russia's and China's don't count.

I'm not going to do your research for you Steven. Why don't you look it up?

That's probably a good thing Steve. I certainly find her research skills to be lacking, and that's about as polite a comment I can make on it.

EDIT: Had to fix the BBcode quotes that she keeps messing up.

The main point isn't my skills. The main point is...Ivermectin works against Covid. So much so that India's largest providence- Uttar Pradesh suffers only 24 cases of Covid a day and just 0-2 deaths. If these stories from Uttar Pradesh are Untrue, than I'll be sad. But I will immediately update my reality.

You guys criticize my skills and opinions without addressing the main point. It's as if your are crossing the road and a someone yells at you and points toward an 18 wheeler bearing down on you. Instead of looking where the person points, you criticize their T-shirt.

I respect you Dude. We like the same albums. I don't care if you disagree with me. If my story about Uttar Pradesh is true...would you think that to be important? Can you prove it's not true? Do you care if a cheap, Nobel Prize of Medicine winning drug like Ivermectin works well against Covid? Or, do you care more about your Political team winning? Let me know. There's no use discussing issues with someone who values their political team more than reality.

Despite popular opinion, I never voted for Trump. Just because, I didn't believe the Russia Conspiracy does not mean I was a Trump voter. I hated Trump for doing nothing to stop censorship. These vaccines are the vaccines that Trump cheered for. I can post you film footage of Cuomo, Kamala Harris, and Joe Biden slamming the same vaccines that they cheer for now. The difference? Trump was in power when Cuomo, K. Harris, Biden said they would not take the vaccine. Now that they are in power....They love the vaccine.

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