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SteveG 
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 Posted: August 26 2021 at 14:27 |
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The fiasco in Kabul just turned into a disaster. 12 American Servive men killed and 15 injured along with 60 Aghan citizens dead by an ISIS suicide bomber. I have a lot if thoughts on this but now is not the time.
Edited by SteveG - August 26 2021 at 14:28
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 26 2021 at 15:22 |
 dr wu23 wrote:
SteveG wrote:
[QUOTE=omphaloskepsis]FBI confirms there was no insurrection on Jan. 6th. Blah blah blah blah... |
The FBI did not say that there was no insurrection. They said that there was no preplanned insurrection plot between right wing radical organizations like the Proud Boys and other white supremist organizations. A spontaneous act of murder has the same effect as a premeditated act of murder, just as a spontaneous violent uprising has the same effect as a premediated violent uprising. Trump, Rudi, Trump's son and other right wing political hacks instigated the January 6th storming of the Capital in order to overturn the 2020 presidential election. They are traitors to the country and the Constitution and will forever be branded as such. No manipulation of the FBI findings in regards to premeditation between the radical political groups, by right wing apologists, will ever change that fact. |
So first, if there's not much chargeable offenses other than some amateur plotting with little thought as to what to do if they got inside the Capitol, then it's important proper charges are used and those found guilty go to jail, but not to overreach: It's our chance to show legitimate government at work. Second, Steve is right in pointing to the fallout and forever-lasting residue Jan. 6 caused: it showed the far right's true Authoritarian colors and was quite illuminating for those unsure of the hatred, ignorance and racism within the Right. It was ignored and suppressed before, now it's obvious even to many moderates.
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Posted: August 27 2021 at 14:50 |
Atavachron wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
SteveG wrote:
[QUOTE=omphaloskepsis]FBI confirms there was no insurrection on Jan. 6th. Blah blah blah blah... |
The FBI did not say that there was no insurrection. They said that there was no preplanned insurrection plot between right wing radical organizations like the Proud Boys and other white supremist organizations. A spontaneous act of murder has the same effect as a premeditated act of murder, just as a spontaneous violent uprising has the same effect as a premediated violent uprising. Trump, Rudi, Trump's son and other right wing political hacks instigated the January 6th storming of the Capital in order to overturn the 2020 presidential election. They are traitors to the country and the Constitution and will forever be branded as such. No manipulation of the FBI findings in regards to premeditation between the radical political groups, by right wing apologists, will ever change that fact. |
So first, if there's not much chargeable offenses other than some amateur plotting with little thought as to what to do if they got inside the Capitol, then it's important proper charges are used and those found guilty go to jail, but not to overreach: It's our chance to show legitimate government at work. Second, Steve is right in pointing to the fallout and forever-lasting residue Jan. 6 caused: it showed the far right's true Authoritarian colors and was quite illuminating for those unsure of the hatred, ignorance and racism within the Right. It was ignored and suppressed before, now it's obvious even to many moderates.
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I hope you are right about that.
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 27 2021 at 15:41 |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: August 29 2021 at 09:33 |
Is Kamala throwing Biden under the bus? 1. Kamala Harris visits Viet Nam within days after Taliban defeats American/Afghan army. Kamala calls attention to the fact that America suffered twin defeats- in Viet Nam and Afghanistan- throwing gasoline on the comparisons of the botched evacuations of Saigon and Kabul. 2. What is the announced Theme of Kamala's Viet Nam diplomatic trip?....Wait, for it....AMERICA IS BACK! Thus, Kamala Harris reminds Viet Nam that America used to bomb and destroy their country, killing over a million Vietnamese.
3. Kamala Harris believes Viet Nam erected a memorial celebrating Senator John McCain. So, Kamala visits the memorial, which turns out to be a memorial celebrating Viet Nam's victory over United States and the Viet Cong's shooting down 10 American planes in one day (including McCain's plane). How could Kamala Harris think Viet Nam would erect a memorial to someone who bombed their country?
Edited by omphaloskepsis - August 29 2021 at 09:58
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SteveG
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Posted: August 29 2021 at 14:06 |
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Cindy, perhaps you should lay off the ganga for a bit.
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: September 10 2021 at 08:51 |
Curios as to what folks thought about Bidens speech
yesterday on vaccine mandates?
I perceived it as very divisive and with absence of logic.
When Trump spewed his dividing remarks, it was in your face
and obvious. Biden on the other hand seems
to be more subtle and shrewd. This tactic is even more alarming and dangerous.
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 08:04 |
Biden is poised
to go down in history as the worst US president ever. The bar is set very low, and he is stooping
down under it with ease.
The Afghanistan
cluster$uch$ and now millions are about to lose their jobs and livelihoods. Basic human rights and freedoms are being stripped
away.
There are
tens of millions with natural immunity that have a significantly lesser chance
of getting re-infected than those that are fully vaccinated. And if reinfection does occur, the viral load
is substantially less for those with natural immunity. Studies from Israel and other parts of the
world indicate around a factor of 12.
If tens of
millions are far less likely to catch and spread the virus, why should they be
mandated to roll the dice on an inferior version of what they already have?
Why is Joe sanctioning
discrimination and segregation? Why are
so many intelligent people behind this?
Fear?
Instill fear,
divide, and conquer!
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SteveG
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 12:07 |
I love Uncle Joe. I wish he'd come to my house and read me bedtime stories. 
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 13:01 |
CosmicVibration wrote:
Biden is poised
to go down in history as the worst US president ever. The bar is set very low, and he is stooping
down under it with ease.
The Afghanistan
cluster$uch$ and now millions are about to lose their jobs and livelihoods. Basic human rights and freedoms are being stripped
away.
There are
tens of millions with natural immunity that have a significantly lesser chance
of getting re-infected than those that are fully vaccinated. And if reinfection does occur, the viral load
is substantially less for those with natural immunity. Studies from Israel and other parts of the
world indicate around a factor of 12.
If tens of
millions are far less likely to catch and spread the virus, why should they be
mandated to roll the dice on an inferior version of what they already have?
Why is Joe sanctioning
discrimination and segregation? Why are
so many intelligent people behind this?
Fear?
Instill fear,
divide, and conquer! |
Biden is poised to go down in history as the most boring US President ever. But far from the worst. How old are you? Do you know history? You're blaming the plight of Afghanistan on an American President? On any American President? The Middle East is a hot roiling cauldron of trouble and always has been, and there's no more danger of terrorism from that country than any other. Bush got us in, Biden got us out. End of story.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 13:05 |
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You are speaking to the Trump base, David. They all sound like they're 12.
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 13:24 |
Atavachron wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
Biden is poised
to go down in history as the worst US president ever. The bar is set very low, and he is stooping
down under it with ease.
The Afghanistan
cluster$uch$ and now millions are about to lose their jobs and livelihoods. Basic human rights and freedoms are being stripped
away.
There are
tens of millions with natural immunity that have a significantly lesser chance
of getting re-infected than those that are fully vaccinated. And if reinfection does occur, the viral load
is substantially less for those with natural immunity. Studies from Israel and other parts of the
world indicate around a factor of 12.
If tens of
millions are far less likely to catch and spread the virus, why should they be
mandated to roll the dice on an inferior version of what they already have?
Why is Joe sanctioning
discrimination and segregation? Why are
so many intelligent people behind this?
Fear?
Instill fear,
divide, and conquer! |
Biden is poised to go down in history as the most boring US President ever. But far from the worst. How old are you? Do you know history? You're blaming the plight of Afghanistan on an American President? On any American President? The Middle East is a hot roiling cauldron of trouble and always has been, and there's no more danger of terrorism from that country than any other. Bush got us in, Biden got us out. End of story.
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The cluster$uch$ I was referring to only references the withdrawal;
this should have been obvious. Also, you’re
ignoring the immense iniquity that’s about to fall upon us.
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 13:27 |
SteveG wrote:
You are speaking to the Trump base, David. They all sound like they're 12. |
wrong as usual, i was never a Trump fan.. who you think set the bar so low?
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progaardvark
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 13:33 |
After four years of Trump, I have to say I find the criticisms of Biden laughable at best, mostly misinformed, and overblown. Where were these criticisms when Trump was either doing something embarrassing, illegal, or stupid a dozen or more times a day?
Admittedly Biden has an extremely low bar to compete with. He easily went over that bar by just putting together complete sentences.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 13:38 |
CosmicVibration wrote:
SteveG wrote:
You are speaking to the Trump base, David. They all sound like they're 12. |
wrong as usual, i was never a Trump fan.. |
Then you must support someone even lower than Trump.
Scary.
Edited by SteveG - September 13 2021 at 13:40
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 13:49 |
Did everyone not see Bidens speech on vaccine mandates? Can you not deduce the millions of lives that
can be ruined for an illogical reason that a 6 year old can understand?
When did discrimination and segregation become ok again?
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 13:50 |
SteveG wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
SteveG wrote:
You are speaking to the Trump base, David. They all sound like they're 12. |
wrong as usual, i was never a Trump fan.. |
Then you must support someone even lower than Trump.
Scary.
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yea, Bernie Sanders..
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SteveG
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 13:54 |
CosmicVibration wrote:
SteveG wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
SteveG wrote:
You are speaking to the Trump base, David. They all sound like they're 12. |
wrong as usual, i was never a Trump fan.. |
Then you must support someone even lower than Trump.
Scary.
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yea, Bernie Sanders.. |
Yeah, I thought as much. Either Bernie Or AOC.
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 15:31 |
SteveG wrote:
I love Uncle Joe. I wish he'd come to my house and read me bedtime stories. |
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: September 13 2021 at 15:41 |
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It's your body, but it's Biden's choice.
Edited by omphaloskepsis - September 13 2021 at 15:46
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