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projeKct
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You're right, thanks Cristi ! Fixed now.
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yam yam
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Not been here for a while, but I noticed that a band I enjoy a lot (Different Light) has several albums that are missing track times.
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=33098 - Il Suono Della Luce (Compilation) 1. This Is Only The Beginning (8:06) 2. Burning Memories (12:11) 3. In The Grey (5:43) 4. Victim's Eye View (7:30) 5. The Eyelid Movie Show (5:32) 6. Educating Jesus (5:11) 7. Takeshi's Castle (3:07) 8. Angel Incarnate (6:20) 9. A Creature Of Habit (8:58) 10. Solitary Heart (4:38) 11. A Life In A Day (4:30) 12. The Few Of Us (2:35) Total time 74:21 This is a compilation album featuring tracks from All About Yourself, Icons That Weep, A Kind of Consolation and a previously unreleased track (Takeshi's Castle). Originally released in 2011 and re-released in 2015 with new cover art. There is also a physical CD version, which Bandcamp says may be of interest to fans as "none of the tracks are available on a physical disc other than on this limited release" (though according to Discogs these three releases were once available as CDs or CDrs. The 2015 reissue is at https://www.discogs.com/release/9812437-Different-Light-Il-Suono-Della-Luce-A-Collection-1996-2009, where there is a detailed breakdown of the musicians involved in the various stages of the band's development from which these tracks are drawn. The 2015 reissue artwork is at https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1799476976_16.jpg, or it can be got from the Discogs page for the album if it is decided to swap with the original cover. https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=30223 - Icons That Weep 1. Alternate Icon (2:47) 2. A Life In A Day (4:28) 3. Angel Incarnate (6:18) 4. The Breaking (4:09) 5. A Creature Of Habit (8:56) 6. Solitary Heart (4:36) 7. Unholy Land (5:07) 8. Heaven And I (4:32) 9. The Few Of Us (2:35) Total time 43:28 See also: https://www.discogs.com/release/13995855-Different-Light-Icons-That-Weep, where track 5 is split into: i. - An Incidental Moment (2:49) ii. - Ensoulment (3:30) iii. - Light Of My Life (2:37) Additional musicians mentioned: - backing vocals / Lucy Lux (3, 8) - fretless bass / Jaroslav Novotny (5.ii) - guitar / Hynek Boril (3, 8) https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=53687 - A Kind Of Consolation 1. Magnetic (4:36) 2. Educating Jesus (5:10) 3. The Eyelid Movie Show (5:29) 4. Land Of The Living (4:16) Total time 19:31 Not On Label (CDr Different Light Self-released) |
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projeKct
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^ Thanks David, all done. It's great to see you again!
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yam yam
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It's still nice to pop back now and again Julien - I do miss the place at times!
It shows how rusty I have gotten over the last year or so of inactivity though, when I post the additional musicians and their respective instruments back to front lol! Sorry about that! |
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Dark Ness
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Please correct "La Bibbia - 50th Anniversary" ...
- Andrea Castelli / bass ... 7. THE CREATION (Cd Bonus Track) 8. THE WARNING (Cd Bonus Track) 9. JUDGEMENT DAY (Cd Bonus Track) |
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projeKct
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^ Thanks Mario, fixed now.
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mbzr48
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=47832
Why they call it EP with over 66 minutes is beyond me 1. Beyond the Shield (6:17) 2. Our Own Death (13:49) 3. PseudoFlashBack (10:09) 4. Nightmare Healer (14:01) 5. Inferior Being (9:22) 6. World of My Time (11:15) 7. Outro (1:23) Total Time 66:16 - Miguel Duran / guitar - Carlos Duran / bass - Javier Carrasco / vocals - David Alejo / keyboards - Edu Lopez / drums Label: Self Format: Digital October 28, 2011
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NotAProghead
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^ Thanks, Mayer, times and the line-up updated.
I either have no idea why the band calls it an EP, but their bandcamp page reads: "First EP, with the original drummer Edu López who sadly died last year."
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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yam yam
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One more while it's still fresh in my mind.
RPWL - 'Stock': https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2159. There was a 'Gentle Art Of Music' 2013 reissue (GAOM015) which included a bonus track "Moonflower". Both this reissue and the discogs master release page mention two additional musicians: - Chris Postl / additional bass - Conny Kreitmeier / additional vocals Chris Postl was the bass player on the band's first album 'God Has Failed', and this compilation is essentially made up of tracks that didn't make it onto the band's first two albums, so this seems reasonable. Yogi Lang also plays keyboards as well as performing vocals, and this is mentioned in the credits on the discogs entries, but not on our page for the album.
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projeKct
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^ Thanks David !
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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The album called The Fossill Record by the band Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic should be listed under compilations since it's a compilation (the title should give a clue). Rate Your Music and All Music all confirm it's status as a compilation album also. http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=850
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projeKct
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Thanks Mike, done.
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yam yam
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A bit of a strange anomaly on another RPWL album for you guys to investigate...
'World Through My Eyes' (2005): https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6931. It was released on CD and also SACD, with a bonus track 'New Stars Are Born' on the SACD version, and we have the time for this track as 7:00. If you look at the discogs page for the SACD version, it gives two entries for this track: Firstly as CD-11 with a time of 7:04, then a bit further down the page as SACD-11 with a time of 5:07. All the YouTube and Spotify streams for the track that I looked at come in at around 12:40, which seems to be roughly equivalent to the two discogs entries added together plus a bit more, so I reckon both discogs and us have got this wrong as things stand atm. Here are some examples of streams of the track: https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nxLUk5vEJHAFN9p300CHAKtfA5UIWDN1c (the full album on YouTube Music). I'll leave it with you to ponder what might be the reason for this discrepancy, since discogs is usually pretty reliable on these matters. Edit: Several of the track times for this album that both we and discogs have differ from those in the streams of the album that currently exist on YouTube and Spotify - some by more than 10 seconds in our own listing - and discogs is out by almost a whole minute for track 4 'Roses' - so I'd be tempted to redo the whole lot based on either the YouTube or Spotify timings (which correlate with each other to within 1 second).
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projeKct
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^ David, I discovered something here: https://www.rpwl.net/music/start-the-fire/
So on this 2005 live album, there is the full version of "New Stars Are Born" (12:40) as a bonus studio track. On the original studio album, it was an abbreviated version (7:04 on CD, 5:08 on SACD). And I guess they choose to replace the abbreviated version by the full version on recent digital releases (such as the Youtube one). So all is OK. |
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yam yam
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^ Well done indeed for digging that bit of info out Julien! It certainly explains a lot. I still don't really understand why discogs has the hybrid SACD version of the track shortened even further from the full length version of the track at only 5:07, when as far as I know the SACD layer of these discs could hold quite a bit more than the standard 80 minutes of a normal CD, and whilst the full length version of the track wouldn't fit on the CD layer, since it would take the total time to somewhere around 83 minutes, there would seem to be no reason for the track to be shortened at all in the SACD layer of the disc.
I'm also still confused by the deviations of the timings of a few other tracks in both our own and discogs listings from those in the currently available streams of the album (eg the first two tracks, 'Sleep' and 'Start The Fire'). It's also a bit strange that the discogs page for the standard CD issue (and also the Gentle Art Of Music 2013 reissue of it, as well as the master page for the album) has track 4 'Roses' listed at only 5:39 instead of the 6:36 of the CD layer of the hybrid SACD. Several other tracks are shown on discogs with different timings in the SACD layer from those of the normal CD layer, which also seems strange to a simple fellow like me who doesn't understand all the technical stuff lol! As far as I know there weren't any re-recordings of these early tracks done by the band especially for the SACD version of the album, or for the currently available streams, so the whole thing just seems a bit of a mess to me. Edit: The currently available streams of that 'Start The Fire' live album from 2005 - both on YouTube and Spotify - don't include the full studio version of 'New Stars Are Born' as a bonus track, as documented on the discogs and PA pages for the album, so it would seem that the band's current record label, Gentle Art Of Music, have definitely decided that the full piece is more appropriately included these days as a bonus track in streams of the 2005 'World Through My Eyes' studio album rather than the 'Start The Fire' live album. That certainly makes perfect sense to me upon reflection, but it potentially leads to confusion for anyone else visiting the old discogs and PA pages for the album and comparing the track listings there with those that they are seeing and listening to on Spotify or YouTube.
I don't envy you guys at all, trying to keep this website up to date with things like this going on behind your backs lol! Edited by yam yam - December 21 2022 at 18:21 |
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77390
- Nicklas Sørensen / guitars, effects - Jakob Skøtt / drums, keyboards, electronics - Martin Rude / guitar, bass October 28, 2022
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projeKct
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^ Thanks Mayer, done.
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projeKct
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David, I've listened to all versions of this album in the last few days: original CD, SACD and modern streaming versions. I can confirm that all timings you see are correct. The timings currently on PA are from the original CD version (I've updated them yesterday). The streaming versions are cutting tracks at different spots (vs. the original CD), that's why if you add timings for tracks 1 to 10, you get pretty much the same total on both the original CD and streaming versions. Now for the SACD, I'm not sure why all tracks are a bit shorter, but my guess is that the audio quality is SO high that they were lacking space. There is this note on the Discogs page: the track times for the SACD layer vary considerably from those printed on the release. The tracks on the SACD layer are all a slightly different mix (shorter than the cd tracks) to make sure all could be included on the SACD layer. Good album, by the way...
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yam yam
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Do you know, I never even noticed that bit! I was so puzzled trying to fathom out what was going on with the timings that I didn't bother to read the rest of the page! I had no idea that SACDs and CDs sometimes had different timings for the same tracks, having never owned a SACD disc player or purchased one of these discs, but I just found a thread on the Steve Hoffman Music Forums about this very issue, and guess what is one of the albums that gets mentioned there? Ambra - Child of the Universe - Many tracks have longer versions on the SACD Steve Gadd - The Gadd Gang - CD has original mixes, SACD has 2007 remixes The Kinks - Everybody's in Show Business - longer versions on several tracks on the SACD Don McClean - American Pie - tracks 9 & 10 order reversed on SACD RPWL - World Through My Eyes - Very different track times, possible SACD stereo are 5.1 downmixes I don't understand any of the technical reasons why this happens, but I guess there must indeed be some reason or other why they had to shorten several of the tracks on the SACD layer, even though I read on Wikipedia that these layers can hold up to 110 minutes without DST compression. So, case finally closed. Thanks for taking the time to look into this, and sorry to have been such a pain! Good job it was a decent album that you had to sit through (as are all RPWL albums imho!) |
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77525
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77526 Duplicate and need cleaning the mess
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