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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2020 at 15:33
I can't even watch the video. It was removed by YouTube. No offence, but if you're going to debate science here, I think I would rather look at peer-reviewed articles from a reputable science journal, particularly one from the relevant field.

As for Judy Mikovits, well anyone can do some checking on her. She seems to have had quite a checkered past. Enough so that it should bring up some red flags on her integrity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2020 at 19:39

When money and power are involved anyone’s past can be “checkered”.  Jesus the Christ was crucified for his checkered past.

I don’t know for certain, but I do have the right to listen, read and question.

So why has the video been taken down again?  Did i step into the Twilight Zone and now am in North Korea… WTF

For anyone that’s interested, info is still available on Mercola’s website.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/05/03/is-the-new-coronavirus-created-in-a-lab.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200503Z1&et_cid=DM527830&et_rid=864030521

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2020 at 20:01
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<p ="Msonormal">When money and power are involved anyone’s past can be “checkered”.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>Jesus the Christ was crucified for his
checkered past.





^ That is incorrect. Jesus was crucified for claiming to be the son of God and for constantly challenging the religious leaders. They didn't like the fact that he was becoming more popular than they were. Sorry if this is off topic, but misinformation is misinformation.

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Help the victims of the russian invasion:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2020 at 20:37

it’s always been about power and control and money can buy that.  Jesus was a threat to those in power and any checkers that can be placed upon him that can take him down will do.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2020 at 20:49
^ Thats a little better than your initial post, but it was claiming to be the son of God that got him in the most trouble.
By the way, has anyone else tried to quote CosmicVibration, what are all those millions of lines that follow his quotes, I have never seen anything like that before.
His quotes are followed with about a mile long list of lines such as this:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2020 at 21:12
Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

When money and power are involved anyone’s past can be “checkered”.  Jesus the Christ was crucified for his checkered past.

I don’t know for certain, but I do have the right to listen, read and question.

So why has the video been taken down again?  Did i step into the Twilight Zone and now am in North Korea… WTF

For anyone that’s interested, info is still available on Mercola’s website.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/05/03/is-the-new-coronavirus-created-in-a-lab.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200503Z1&et_cid=DM527830&et_rid=864030521


I invite folks to research Joseph Mercola. It certainly raised a lot red flags in my head.

As for checkered, if you get caught stealing company property, manipulating data, have to retract your article because no one else could replicate your results, and then start passing off conspiracy theories so you can sell a book... then hey, I guess that's OK these days. I don't think Jesus is in the same league as Judy.

Yes, you're right. You do have the right to listen, read, and question. I don't believe anyone was questioning that. But were you expecting us to just believe everything you post? 

And YouTube can do whatever it wants with its platform. They own it and if they think removing health misinformation during a health crisis is a benefit for the public, that's their choice. If this were North Korea, you wouldn't have internet access.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2020 at 00:37
Wow, this is fantastic! Not only that Jesus is being accused of having a chequered past (probably all that stealing, killing, and adultery), but now the entire discussion is moving onto religious territory. Way to go. That'll keep everyone on track.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2020 at 01:35
Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

It's just a freakin' flu.

No.  I have a doctorate in infectious disease epidemiology and am considered an expert in virology and pandemic preparedness. 

I wish this were the flu....we understand influenza very well (orthomixo virus), and have a wide variety of proven & safe medications to fight it including vaccines, antivirals like Tamiflu and written response plans. 

The Covid-19 agent, called SARS-CoV2, is a "spillover" virus originating from a bat.  Bats are filthy with these viruses, and the first SARS in 2003 and MERS in the Middle East both have origins in bats (horseshoe bats in China and Egyptian tomb bats in the Middle East).  

Because SARS-CoV2 is a novel, emerging virus, no humans have ever had exposure to it before, so there is no immunologic memory to this virus.  It has a MUCH higher fatality rate than influenza, spreads very easily, and is  ravaging the planet.  We have virtually no medical tools to fight it off except for ancient ones including seclusion and quarantine. 

The crowds in the USA are indeed quite mad.  Unlike virtually any other country, we have many, many crazy folks who are heavily armed.  However, the entire world seems mad....I find it interesting that toilet paper is missing in nearly every country!!  

The only prog humor I could find in any of this was this photo of Bob Fripp wearing a black (of course!) face mask, with his comment "I advance masked."  



I do not have a doctorate in infectious disease epidemiology and am considered a layman in virology and pandemic preparedness.

Does any of what Judy Mikovitz say hold water? She does have impressive credentials.


No, she is a fountain of self-serving information.  She peddles her doctorate and supports unproven and dangerous medical theories. 

Our Chicago Tribune did an expose on her years ago, see if this opens for you:

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NY's Governor Coumo now says that of all of the people who went to work last month, 17% contracted the virus while 60% of those that stayed home got it. Wtf? Confused

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2020 at 06:14
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

NY's Governor Coumo now says that of all of the people who went to work last month, 17% contracted the virus while 60% of those that stayed home got it. Wtf? Confused

I have seen and heard some strange things during this period, but that one just about beats them all.

Stories in the paper today indicate that UK statistician boffins are going to state that the prevalence of the infection in our country at this moment in time is between 0.2 and 0.6% of the population, so some 400,000 with the lurg. Quite how they will arrive at this is anybody’s guess, but the figure will probably be too high for Boris to consider any meaningful easing of our ongoing lockdown.
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Pharaoh of Egypt, set my people free. Or at least let them go back to the pubs! LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2020 at 07:13
This Judy Mikovits person sounds like a real piece of work. You'll need to fasten your tinfoil helmet tightly to believe this mangled mess of medical misinformation. Another martyr in the cause of QAnon, anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers.....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2020 at 07:17
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


NY's Governor Coumo now says that of all of the people who went to work last month, 17% contracted the virus while 60% of those that stayed home got it. Wtf? Confused


I have seen and heard some strange things during this period, but that one just about beats them all.

Stories in the paper today indicate that UK statistician boffins are going to state that the prevalence of the infection in our country at this moment in time is between 0.2 and 0.6% of the population, so some 400,000 with the lurg. Quite how they will arrive at this is anybody’s guess, but the figure will probably be too high for Boris to consider any meaningful easing of our ongoing lockdown.
Wow. If those figures are even close to accurate, I feel for all of you in Ol’ Blighty. We seem to be very lucky here ‘Down Under’.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2020 at 01:21
With all the US states opening up, it's amazing how they must all be aware that they're being set up to take the fall when (not if) this goes pear-shaped, and not howling in protest.

Covid cases will start to rise dramatically, and Trump, who is urging the states to open up, will be able to claim that this wouldn't have happened if they'd have stuck to his official guidelines before opening.

This is going to be quite the show. Shame about all the corpses though.
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Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

With all the US states opening up, it's amazing how they must all be aware that they're being set up to take the fall when (not if) this goes pear-shaped, and not howling in protest.

Covid cases will start to rise dramatically, and Trump, who is urging the states to open up, will be able to claim that this wouldn't have happened if they'd have stuck to his official guidelines before opening.

This is going to be quite the show. Shame about all the corpses though.

My friend, there are a lot of very stupid American citizens running around this place, mostly belonging to the Right-Wing Republican party (Trump's). 

Let them open their tattoo parlors, their pubs, their chicken-shack restaurants....already, we are starting to see the result in terms of increased case counts in Republican voting districts. 

Let's just say I miss Europe and the UK!  Be safe!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2020 at 03:22
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:


My friend, there are a lot of very stupid American citizens running around this place, mostly belonging to the Right-Wing Republican party (Trump's). 

Let them open their tattoo parlors, their pubs, their chicken-shack restaurants....already, we are starting to see the result in terms of increased case counts in Republican voting districts. 

Let's just say I miss Europe and the UK!  Be safe!


Seems as though the great orange genius is killing off his own voters. Doesn't seem a great re-election strategy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2020 at 04:54
Problem is of course that if there is an explosion of cases in the US, with all the international trade connections etc. this will be a problem for the whole world. I don't see Europe closing completely to the US any time soon. Well, except Europeans aren't that good at social distancing and taking seriously the remaining restrictions either, so maybe we don't need the US to be in a huge mess, we can do it on our own. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2020 at 08:04
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


NY's Governor Coumo now says that of all of the people who went to work last month, 17% contracted the virus while 60% of those that stayed home got it. Wtf? Confused


I have seen and heard some strange things during this period, but that one just about beats them all.

Stories in the paper today indicate that UK statistician boffins are going to state that the prevalence of the infection in our country at this moment in time is between 0.2 and 0.6% of the population, so some 400,000 with the lurg. Quite how they will arrive at this is anybody’s guess, but the figure will probably be too high for Boris to consider any meaningful easing of our ongoing lockdown.
Wow. If those figures are even close to accurate, I feel for all of you in Ol’ Blighty. We seem to be very lucky here ‘Down Under’.

Possible explanation that the 60% that stayed home may have already had it, but didn't show symptoms yet.  New Yorkers were pretty adherent to shelter in place, the vast majority of businesses shut down, so there weren't very many people going to work at all, and those who would have been (should have, anyway) should have stayed home if they were already sick, so less chances to continue spreading it amongst the workers.  Most workplaces started early in the game in NY, with trying to comply with social distancing and other safeguarding measures at work as well.  Also thinking that the very first people to shelter in place may also just have been those most potentially vulnerable to the disease.  Remember the idea was to try to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed by the worst cases, knowing that there would be little to do to keep people from contracting the virus.  And I could be completely wrong. All I know is that here in Oregon we also were instructed to shelter in place early and there are few cases here compared to next door Washington, even in our more populous towns.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2020 at 09:11
I understand what you're saying, but even so, the difference between those numbers go against just about anything I thought I new about this disease. If they're accurate, I don't know what to think anymore. How is it that this is not a huge thing?

I tried to find the original of Cuomo's quote, but I couldn't find it, although I didn't invest very much time. Anyone have a source for his figures?

Steve G's post as a few days old now, and if these figures are correct, I'd have thought that the Trumpeters would  be shouting it from the rooftops by now.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2020 at 10:58
Thanks, glad you didn't think I was totally wacky with my theory.  I did find a couple of news reports, but they had those subscription pop-ups, I didn't want to subject people to that.  Maybe someone around here has a free and trustworthy source....

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