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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2014 at 14:04
Ermm you could always rewind back to page one and re-read the thread from the beginning if you need to refresh your memory.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2014 at 15:03
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ermm you could always rewind back to page one and re-read the thread from the beginning if you need to refresh your memory.
 
You know...I did that , but after reading your analysis I still couldn't tell  if you liked them or not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2014 at 16:24
I'm not a reviewer, I'm not a critic, I rarely offer my opinion on a band and I seldom give recommendations. I'm more than happy to talk about a band however. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2014 at 16:39
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I'm not a reviewer, I'm not a critic, I rarely offer my opinion on a band...

Is it because, perhaps, aiding a performer wounded by critics amounts to only a band-aid?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2014 at 07:01
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

"Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach." 

I "did" both (researched and taught) and I can tell you, the teaching is by far the harder thing to do well.

I look at the papers I published and wonder what use it really did. Is radiative transfer in stellar atmospheres and solar magnetohydrodynamics REALLY going to change anyone's life?

I look at the students I taught, see their achievements since and, truthfully, I get far more satisfaction out of that. That's why, towards the end of my career, I did less and less research and more and more teaching, but that meant I wasn't earning my corn as a department member (not enough research grants), so I retired before I was pushed.

But critics are often bitter people who failed at both and like to denigrate those who succeeded. Heep succeeded despite the critics and are one of the longest extant bands around with an enviable (though admittedly a bit patchy) discography. Sales of around 20m albums mean someone likes them even if the critics don't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2014 at 08:26
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

"Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach." 

I "did" both (researched and taught) and I can tell you, the teaching is by far the harder thing to do well.

I look at the papers I published and wonder what use it really did. Is radiative transfer in stellar atmospheres and solar magnetohydrodynamics REALLY going to change anyone's life?

I look at the students I taught, see their achievements since and, truthfully, I get far more satisfaction out of that. That's why, towards the end of my career, I did less and less research and more and more teaching, but that meant I wasn't earning my corn as a department member (not enough research grants), so I retired before I was pushed.

But critics are often bitter people who failed at both and like to denigrate those who succeeded. Heep succeeded despite the critics and are one of the longest extant bands around with an enviable (though admittedly a bit patchy) discography. Sales of around 20m albums mean someone likes them even if the critics don't.
I married a teacher so I know how much work goes into it, hence my quoting Shaw and putting it in quote-marks rather than simply stating it uncredited. Whether that is actually harder than doing is difficult to ascertain and it must depend on the individual and those being taught to a significant degree, as well as the subject itself. Of course if you don't know your subject you can neither do nor teach, but anyone can criticise.

There are many bands that succeed in spite of what the critics say, Heep, BJH, The Enid and even ELP to name but four.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2014 at 08:53
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

"Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach." 

I "did" both (researched and taught) and I can tell you, the teaching is by far the harder thing to do well.

I look at the papers I published and wonder what use it really did. Is radiative transfer in stellar atmospheres and solar magnetohydrodynamics REALLY going to change anyone's life?

I look at the students I taught, see their achievements since and, truthfully, I get far more satisfaction out of that. That's why, towards the end of my career, I did less and less research and more and more teaching, but that meant I wasn't earning my corn as a department member (not enough research grants), so I retired before I was pushed.

But critics are often bitter people who failed at both and like to denigrate those who succeeded. Heep succeeded despite the critics and are one of the longest extant bands around with an enviable (though admittedly a bit patchy) discography. Sales of around 20m albums mean someone likes them even if the critics don't.
I married a teacher so I know how much work goes into it, hence my quoting Shaw and putting it in quote-marks rather than simply stating it uncredited. Whether that is actually harder than doing is difficult to ascertain and it must depend on the individual and those being taught to a significant degree, as well as the subject itself. Of course if you don't know your subject you can neither do nor teach, but anyone can criticise.

There are many bands that succeed in spite of what the critics say, Heep, BJH, The Enid and even ELP to name but four.

Since retiring, I've worked in schools to raise standards in maths on a part-time basis. Believe you me, secondary school teaching is far more demanding than lecturing. I lectured about 150 hours per year at most (typically 5 hours per week in term time) plus 3 hours of tutorials per week, and that was an exceptionally high teaching workload for the department. Most maths teachers in secondary schools teach 20+ hours per week AND have behavioural issues to contend with!

And it requires training, unlike being a critic.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2014 at 06:41
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

"Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach." 

I "did" both (researched and taught) and I can tell you, the teaching is by far the harder thing to do well.

I look at the papers I published and wonder what use it really did. Is radiative transfer in stellar atmospheres and solar magnetohydrodynamics REALLY going to change anyone's life?

I look at the students I taught, see their achievements since and, truthfully, I get far more satisfaction out of that. That's why, towards the end of my career, I did less and less research and more and more teaching, but that meant I wasn't earning my corn as a department member (not enough research grants), so I retired before I was pushed.

But critics are often bitter people who failed at both and like to denigrate those who succeeded. Heep succeeded despite the critics and are one of the longest extant bands around with an enviable (though admittedly a bit patchy) discography. Sales of around 20m albums mean someone likes them even if the critics don't.

Good point.

Absolutely true. Too often critics are not a constructive tool. In fact, I usually avoid them for my purchases.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2014 at 03:56
A good teacher is one who can teach people (successfully) who don't want to learn!!
Teaching people with a thirst for education is a lot easier!!!
I like to think that I can judge a fine specimen of Symphonic prog and spot a blooper!!! I reckon that outside my thin slice of specialisation my opinions are a lot less meaningful and are loaded with opinionated bias....I accept that as a norm for most people judging stuff from a genre that they don't particularly like...
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