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dr wu23 
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 Posted: March 12 2014 at 12:14 |
So...understanding or appreciating Moonchild is about social status and class...?
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Posted: March 12 2014 at 20:03 |
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It is good that we can always count on you not to think too hard. With the lower classes, we simply aspire not to think, but unfortunately we keep getting these damn ideas in our heads.
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I hardly think class has anything to do with it. But it could be said that some rich classes have more time on their hands to pursue some things that some of us working classes rarely have a chance to do?
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And a lot of arts and artists are often well known for this! |
You're right. Class has nothing to do with this discussion. But you did provide a response that illustrated my original point.
Edited by The Dark Elf - March 12 2014 at 20:08
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Posted: March 12 2014 at 21:04 |
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Dean
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Posted: March 12 2014 at 21:08 |
dr wu23 wrote:
So...understanding or appreciating Moonchild is about social status and class...?
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It makes a change, usually anything to do with understanding or appreciating abstract forms of music is presented from a perspective of elitism and delivered in a patronising manner...
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Posted: March 14 2014 at 17:11 |
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I suspect that apophenia (" the human tendency to seek patterns in random information") is at play here.
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Yes, I thought this when I read the post. Same thing has been said about the "Dark Side Of The Rainbow" (Dark Side of the Moon coinciding with The Wizard Of Oz). That always intrigued me. How did anyone even find that out?! 
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dr wu23
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Posted: March 14 2014 at 17:24 |
Dean wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
So...understanding or appreciating Moonchild is about social status and class...?
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It makes a change, usually anything to do with understanding or appreciating abstract forms of music is presented from a perspective of elitism and delivered in a patronising manner...
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Oh...well , that clears it up then.
btw....does anyone know whether or not Fripp has ever said the instrumental part was an improv piece or rehearsed to some degree?
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The Pessimist
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Posted: March 14 2014 at 20:19 |
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I suppose it's like all other free music in a sense that you are listening to a musical conversation. That's the joy I get out of it anyway. It's very human music.
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Posted: March 15 2014 at 05:46 |
You will never understand this song unless you go Dancing in the shallows of a river, Dreaming in the shadow of the willow, and Talking to the trees of the cobweb strange... 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: March 15 2014 at 06:37 |
I suspect none of it means anything..
People were very stoned back then.. 
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Posted: March 15 2014 at 06:44 |
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I suspect none of it means anything..
People were very stoned back then.. |
Plus ca change
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The Pessimist
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Posted: March 15 2014 at 12:05 |
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Posted: March 15 2014 at 13:44 |
Xonty wrote:
Dean wrote:
I suspect that apophenia (" the human tendency to seek patterns in random information") is at play here.
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Yes, I thought this when I read the post. Same thing has been said about the "Dark Side Of The Rainbow" (Dark Side of the Moon coinciding with The Wizard Of Oz). That always intrigued me. How did anyone even find that out?! |
Serendipity. My guess was wife and/or girlfriend and/or significant other and/or life partner and/or mail-order bride is watching Wizzy Of Oz on Betamax tape while the master of the house was sat listening to an 8-track of Dark Side Of The Moon on headphones. By some astounding coincidence of cosmological proportions and a hefty dose of alcohol or some other inebriating substances the wigged-out listener notices the synchronicity of images that dance before his eyes as the music plays and thus a myth is born.
If that is untrue then the only really (sad) alternative is that most prog fans have far too much time on their hands and precious little social-life.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 15 2014 at 13:47 |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Posted: March 15 2014 at 13:49 |
Dean wrote:
If that is untrue then the only really (sad) alternative is that most prog fans have far too much time on their hands and precious little social-life.
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Okay, you guys tricked me. This is an intervention, isn't it?!!
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The Pessimist
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Posted: March 15 2014 at 14:09 |
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Posted: March 15 2014 at 14:25 |
Blacksword wrote:
I suspect none of it means anything..
People were very stoned back then.. |
I sincerely doubt that most of this album, and any KC work, was centered around any drugs. The joke might be construed that a lot of their music simply isn't stoned enough!
And that's probably why it's called "progressive", and so many others aren't!
I believe that most of this album is a result of really good and well defined rehearsal processes and then very well defined moments in music that were created were simply made better. I'm not even sure that there was as much improvisation here as there is (and always was) on most of Robert's solo albums all around, as a comparison point.
Edited by moshkito - March 15 2014 at 14:56
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Warthur
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Posted: March 15 2014 at 17:35 |
Personally, I see the instrumental segment of Moonchild as being less part of Moonchild itself and more connecting tissue between Moonchild and ITCOTKC. The song proper wraps up at around 2:25ish, and then you have this instrumental section which is basically, to my mind, a very early take on New Age relaxation music to get you nice and soothed and in this very tranquil state.
This is excellent when you're listening to the album all the way through, especially on headphones, because when you let yourself drift to that section it really heightens the drama of the title track - when that first drum roll comes in it feels like the sky is falling on your head!
The upshot of this is that the instrumental section doesn't quite work for me if listening to the song in isolation, because really if you just want to listen to the song itself it's done in the first two and a half minutes, but equally it's crucial for when listening to the album as a whole.
Edited by Warthur - March 15 2014 at 17:36
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Posted: March 16 2014 at 15:58 |
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I think the point of Moonchild is merely to confound. It does provide a nice segue to The Court of the Crimson King though; especially on headphones.
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Posted: March 16 2014 at 17:32 |
moshkito wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I suspect none of it means anything..
People were very stoned back then.. |
I sincerely doubt that most of this album, and any KC work, was centered around any drugs. The joke might be construed that a lot of their music simply isn't stoned enough!
And that's probably why it's called "progressive", and so many others aren't!
I believe that most of this album is a result of really good and well defined rehearsal processes and then very well defined moments in music that were created were simply made better. I'm not even sure that there was as much improvisation here as there is (and always was) on most of Robert's solo albums all around, as a comparison point. |
I'd like to think it was just the product of good musicians doing a little messing around...
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dr wu23
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Posted: March 17 2014 at 09:23 |
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I'm going to ask again....but does anyone know if Fripp or the other original band members have commented on that song..?
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