Steve Vai added to bands list !!!

It's not overzealous - I explain my ratings precisely and with factual detail that could be disagreed with.

Sorry, but its how I see it. You're review of ANATO, giving it 5 stars, and you're review of Queen II, talking about it as if it was some long lost prog masterpiece that you just rediscovered.

I haven't reviewed ANATO yet.

Sorry, my mistake, but you called it a prog album in a thread.

Queen II does seem like a long lost masterpiece of prog that I've just rediscovered, and I justified why. I'm not just saying "it's how I feel, man", I hear the prog elements and present them - for discussion if necessary.

You do it well!

But no.

The disagreements are "just my reaction", "never ever thought of them as prog as such", "thats just the way I feel".

" Just My reaction" is not a disagreement in this argument. Just an explanation for a previous post. The rest are my personal opinions. Ok, so its the way I feel, sometimes thats what you go on, like a detectives hunch! I've read many of your posts and you always make a strong argument, but I have no facts to back me up. Just opinion.

If you have no facts to back your hunch up, then wouldn't it be better to can the argument until you do?

I work on hunches too, of course - music being subjective. It's only by injecting some objectivity that a discussion really has any merit. Otherwise it's just "yes it is, no it isn't". Which is a waste of time.

Hard to be objective about whats Prog or not. Anything could be prog if you wanted it to be! (wthin reason of course!)

So what if you didn't think they were prog at the time? Now is not then, and prog is viewed very differently these days. Times change.

Not just me, I don't think anyone considered them prog. Times do change I agree, which is why I said in a previous argument with you that I didn't consider Iron Maiden or Def Leppard Heavy Metal. By today's standards they're not!

And by today's standards, Queen are prog. Touche!

Steve Vai (remember!!!), however, does not seem to be.

Since discovering the Archives, I've seen many things that I had never previously thought of as Prog! But, going by the definitions I've read here, I'd say that Vai scrapes in.

"theatrical rock"??? You just made that up.

Of course I made it up! I'd hardly deny it. Journalists make things up all the time. I have heard them called something similar though. This is what happens when a band is difficult to catagorise.

Why go with other people's opinions and thoughts?

I certainly don't.

I do if I agree with them!

Weren't Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd and ELP all theatrical?

Yes, but not in the same way I meant. Queen are a kind of Vaudeville act. Or were at least..............so some journos said anyway!

Weak, very weak...

Just trying to be lighthearted here!

Let me think...

Give me a hard one

Sorry I'm not that way inclined!

Tried Viagra?

You want the "hard one", not me!

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We ain't gonna agree on this, thats obvious. You are always so convinced you are right for a start! I'll say this, Queen II is Proggy, but is it the genuine article?  You are convinced it is, I have my doubts, but ANATO I really don't think is prog at all!

I haven't analysed it yet, but from memory, it "feels" like a prog album to me.

I'm only "convinced that I'm right" because so few people come back with arguments based on any kind of fact. I know it's difficult with something as subjective as music - but it's not impossible, and you don't need training, just ears, thoughts and an interest in the subject matter.

This latter is relevant to the discussion on Vai too, otherwise I would have ignored another "I don't know why but I don't agree" type response.

Just because you think I think I'm right all the time doesn't mean I share the same opinion of myself

If you DO hear the prog, what makes it prog for you? You don't have to be right, just hold an opinion and discuss it and see what others think. Yes, there are gits like me who will tear it apart - but that's part of the point of a discussion. Every argument and theory has its holes. It's just a question of finding them.

What do you think of "Passion and Warfare"?

I like it, and I think it could fit in this site, acording to the definitions written here. The fact that he's a virtuoso player is irrelevant to the merits of it's caterogisation.
Zappa is here, and there are many similarities between the 2, especially in the case of Flex-able. Sex and Religion, on the other hand could fit in under Progmetal! IMO oof course!

Ok I love steve vai more than life itself but I do agree with you. Put simply his music is only acsessable to musicians. As I said before he is my hero but he does not belong here.