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Joined: April 26 2005
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Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:06
Sean Trane wrote:
One of the things that is better in The Netherlands is the urbanity (despite a greater population density), with better defined habitat spaces. It seems that rules existed a lot longer ago than in Belgum, where the "laissez-faire" was simply atrocious... there are places in both Flanders and Wallonie, where there is no "green spaces' left between villages anymore...if there weren't any city traffic plates, you wouldn't know you changed at all
Living during the week in Alkmaar, and you clearly know once you're out of the city limits >> you're in the fields almost right away...
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Marcel,
I find the Rochefort 8 (green cap) much better... the Blue Cap (10) is simply too sweet for my tastes... I prefer brown beers to blonde ones, but that one is simply too much? I also prefer the 6 (red cap) to the blue cap... it's actually a little sister to the green cap, mich like the Chimay red is to the Chimay blue.
Tonight is going to be a Westvleeteren
Can't believe I'm still an atheist, drinking all thesebeers brewed by monhs!!
In general I agree about what you said about the urbanity. The Dutch are champions in spatial planning. There is a flipside to the coin, though. I remember living in Utrecht (Tolsteeg) in a small flat and feeling like a rat trapped in a cage. We had a park nearby and you could escape nowhere from the sounds of cars. In Belgium, spatial planning is lousy, but I enjoyed living in big houses (standard in Belgium) and for our next house, a big garden too. I never felt trapped anymore.
Westvleteren? I never tried out the famous beer. It was once voted best beer in the world. It's not easy to get, or is it? You have to go to the monastery, and that's not just a matter of calling on beforehand, there is a sort of luck involved, or not?
What you said about not believing you're still an atheist: who am I to contradict you? Okay, this pastor will save the sermon for the sunday
Gonna buy myself Rochefort 8 after all. I want to try them both...
Joined: April 26 2005
Location: Belgium
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Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:15
someone_else wrote:
@Moogtron III: It is not a shame to have less kilometers on the bike than I have. When I go out for a bike ride, I make 60-90 km when I'm with my wife and 80-120 when on my own. And once a year I make a real long one (170-190 km). And I don't use a racing bike, just a conventional one. During the winter months (October-March) I just go out occasionally for 40-70 km.
There are new biking routes in the Netherlands since 2008 (knooppuntenroutes) which I use frequently to create routes throughout the region.
Yes, I'm a Knooppuntenroute (English: nodes routes?) - fan myself. They're also in Belgium. Both in West-Flandres and in East-Flandres there are beautiful Knooppuntenroutes. When I'm staying with my parents in law, close to Alphen aan den Rijn, I enjoy biking in the Groene Hart (Green Heart). When I move to Turnhout, I can look forward to Knooppuntenroutes that will cross the Dutch-Belgian border!
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
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Posted: January 23 2014 at 10:46
Moogtron III wrote:
Marcel,
I find the Rochefort 8 (green cap) much better... the Blue Cap (10) is simply too sweet for my tastes... I prefer brown beers to blonde ones, but that one is simply too much? I also prefer the 6 (red cap) to the blue cap... it's actually a little sister to the green cap, mich like the Chimay red is to the Chimay blue.
Tonight is going to be a Westvleeteren
Can't believe I'm still an atheist, drinking all thesebeers brewed by monhs!!
Westvleteren? I never tried out the famous beer. It was once voted best beer in the world. It's not easy to get, or is it? You have to go to the monastery, and that's not just a matter of calling on beforehand, there is a sort of luck involved, or not?
What you said about not believing you're still an atheist: who am I to contradict you? Okay, this pastor will save the sermon for the sunday
Gonna buy myself Rochefort 8 after all. I want to try them both...
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Indeed Westvleteren is the hardest beer to find (probably in the whole world), thoufgh there are circuits in Brussels and even some cafes serving it (around €10.00 per bottle, though) Otherwise, they did sell a bunch (60 000, I believe) of special boxes (the occasion was to finanbce roof renovations of their monastery) with four nottles and two glasses at Colruyt >> they were all go,e in two hours.. They did the same in the US and Canada >> all gone within one day.
BTW, it's been noted best beer in the world for the last five years, I believe....
LSDisease wrote:
But his ancestors were from Belgium. That's why he was van Beethoven not von Beethoven as it stays in German.
If you'd read the first two pages of the thread, you'd know that hardly anyone knew of his Flemish ancestor, even in Flanders...
If you'd read the first two pages of the thread, you'd know that hardly anyone knew of his Flemish ancestor, even in Flanders...
It's not a secret knowledge from what I know. Besides it doesn't matter. Beethoven got famous as van Beethoven not von Beethoven. No need to analyze it.
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Posted: January 23 2014 at 12:36
It seems very obvious to me that the only nationals who could have ever possibly got into a bit of confusion over his name were Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, German, Austrians and possibly some Swiss (if they ever get to graduate beyond alpine horn music to appreciate the finer points of Western Classical music of the Romantic era). To the rest of the world there is no cause for confusion, hence there is none (other than the mystery of why this thread has lasted 4 pages).
Joined: April 26 2005
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Posted: January 23 2014 at 13:18
Dean wrote:
It seems very obvious to me that the only nationals who could have ever possibly got into a bit of confusion over his name were Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, German, Austrians and possibly some Swiss (if they ever get to graduate beyond alpine horn music to appreciate the finer points of Western Classical music of the Romantic era). To the rest of the world there is no cause for confusion, hence there is none (other than the mystery of why this thread has lasted 4 pages).
Well, some of the most-beloved members on this site are Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, Germans, Austrians and possibly some Swiss as well.
Maybe we like to be a bit openly confused for a while on this site.
The mystery of 4 pages is no big mystery: we meditate on beer and biking too.
Joined: April 29 2004
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Posted: January 24 2014 at 03:14
Moogtron III wrote:
Dean wrote:
It seems very obvious to me that the only nationals who could have ever possibly got into a bit of confusion over his name were Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, German, Austrians and possibly some Swiss (if they ever get to graduate beyond alpine horn music to appreciate the finer points of Western Classical music of the Romantic era). To the rest of the world there is no cause for confusion, hence there is none (other than the mystery of why this thread has lasted 4 pages).
Well, some of the most-beloved members on this site are Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, Germans, Austrians and possibly some Swiss as well.
Maybe we like to be a bit openly confused for a while on this site.
The mystery of 4 pages is no big mystery: we meditate on beer and biking too.
Indeed, the last two pages have been about urban planning and beers, if you'll except LSD's fairly toxic interventions...
someone_else wrote:
The T wrote:
People here try to interpret Yes' TFTO lyrics... I guess that explains why such a nonsense thread as this has 4 pages...
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Okay, this pastor will save the sermon for the sunday 
