Re:London Underground

Trouserpress wrote: bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: threefates wrote: Trouserpress wrote: The latest I've heard on a political level (sorry, my instinct is always to look at things from this perspective) is that a group who claim to be affiliated with Al Quaida but who until today have remained silent have claimed responsibility for the attacks on a website. Why did they (claim to) do this? The British involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not in the least bit surprised. It has nothing to do with that really.  It only has to do with hate and total fanaticism... nothing as logical as what you suggest.  If it were that they would of done something ages ago... and they would of attacked political or military locations.  But no, they attack your finanicial area... just as they did here... They really do think that if they take us down financially they can rule the world.... I am certain that the recent wars we've fought with America are a contributing factor in spurring these fanatics and fueling their hate further and further. It's an unspeakable act, but I'm afraid I personally don't see the lives lost today as being any more tragic than those we have needlessly taken in Iraq. Well, considering the British involvement in creating this geopolitical mess in the first place, you better be over there helping to clean it up. Why should I accept personal responsibility for the actions of a government I was too young to vote in?

That's a ludicrous argument. You are born into a socio-political continuum and become involved whether you want to be or not. You are living and profiting via the British government policies, some of which were set into place long ago. You as a British citizen have a resposibility to try to undo or at least provide reparations for the geopolitical damage your government has wrought in the middle east.

I as an American have the same responsibility. Just because I wasn't around during the time of slavery, I still feel that we as a nation of people need to do all we can to undo the unhealthy patterns started by the practice that have not ended.

I believe in accountability.

bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: bluetailfly wrote: Trouserpress wrote: threefates wrote: Trouserpress wrote: The latest I've heard on a political level (sorry, my instinct is always to look at things from this perspective) is that a group who claim to be affiliated with Al Quaida but who until today have remained silent have claimed responsibility for the attacks on a website. Why did they (claim to) do this? The British involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I'm sorry to say this, but I'm not in the least bit surprised. It has nothing to do with that really.  It only has to do with hate and total fanaticism... nothing as logical as what you suggest.  If it were that they would of done something ages ago... and they would of attacked political or military locations.  But no, they attack your finanicial area... just as they did here... They really do think that if they take us down financially they can rule the world.... I am certain that the recent wars we've fought with America are a contributing factor in spurring these fanatics and fueling their hate further and further. It's an unspeakable act, but I'm afraid I personally don't see the lives lost today as being any more tragic than those we have needlessly taken in Iraq. Well, considering the British involvement in creating this geopolitical mess in the first place, you better be over there helping to clean it up. Why should I accept personal responsibility for the actions of a government I was too young to vote in? That's a ludicrous argument. You are born into a socio-political continuum and become involved whether you want to be or not. You are living and profiting via the British government policies, some of which were set into place long ago. You as a British citizen have a resposibility to try to undo or at least provide reparations for the geopolitical damage your government has wrought in the middle east. I as an American have the same responsibility. Just because I wasn't around during the time of slavery, I still feel that we as a nation of people need to do all we can to undo the unhealthy patterns started by the practice that have not ended. I believe in accountability. So, to paraphrase: "I'm a sanctimonious t**ser". Glad we cleared that up then. I have no idea what that means.

I guess it means feelings are running high.

Let's take a step back and remember that all this posturing doesnt bring back the dead.

Trouserpress wrote: The Doctor wrote: Well, another sad day caused by the evil of the barbarians in the Muslim world.  They will not be happy until they've undermined our way of life.  Hopefully, cooler minds will prevail and we will all eventually see that the way to defeat terrorism are to keep those from Middle Eastern countries out of our countries.  As I said in another post, if they aren't here they can't fly planes into our buildings. ...You don't think you're perhaps... generalising a bit there, do you...?

why is he generalizing?, he said the evil barbarians IN the muslim world, not the evil barbaric muslim world.

and about keeping them out of our countries - a bit much - but Muslims were dancing in the streets (of Paterson, New Jersey) when the Twin Towers fell.

they deny it now, but they did.

NetsNJFan wrote: Trouserpress wrote: The Doctor wrote: Well, another sad day caused by the evil of the barbarians in the Muslim world.  They will not be happy until they've undermined our way of life.  Hopefully, cooler minds will prevail and we will all eventually see that the way to defeat terrorism are to keep those from Middle Eastern countries out of our countries.  As I said in another post, if they aren't here they can't fly planes into our buildings. ...You don't think you're perhaps... generalising a bit there, do you...? why is he generalizing?, he said the evil barbarians IN the muslim world, not the evil barbaric muslim world. and about keeping them out of our countries - a bit much - but Muslims were dancing in the streets (of Paterson, New Jersey) when the Twin Towers fell. they deny it now, but they did.

Thanks, NJ.  But Trouser was right, I was generalizing.  I was referring to all of the Muslim world, or at least a good majority of it.  I have no respect for any of them.  Part of it comes from the fact that there were Muslims celebrating in the streets when the Towers fell.  I of course don't know every Muslim in the world, but my general sense is that these people believe we non-believers are expendable.