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 Posted: August 30 2011 at 16:03 |
 cstack3 wrote:
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What was it like in the 60's and 70's in Vineland N.J.? George Dayner had built the "Palace of Depression" in Vineland N.J and it attracted witches and Satan worshippers to the town for decades. One sect in particular had revolted against Anton's Church of Satan on the west coast and they settled in Vineland. In 1971 police handcuffed kids in our classrooms who were brainwashed by the sect. A young man age 21 who tutored students in our school was sacrificed in a Satan ritual. Charles Pangburn conducted a 2 year investigation and found evidence of an underground sect. There was the brutal murder of Roger Carletto in 1957 by the hand of Juan Rivera Aponte who performed a Black Magic ritual on the boy. The 3rd generation Watchtower society was channeling demons through a young girl in Mill Woods. She later confessed that she was abused by the cult. Four doctors and one nurse gave the girl's father Rx's and she was drug induced for rituals. Satan cults held gatherings in wooded areas and if you were camping you could hear the sing song chanting which later developed into screams and cries. All through the 80's as well. Vampire cults, Satan cults, corrupted JW's and you name it. That is why I left for the road at age 18.
Satan was in the media during the 70's, but fads had little to do with reason or cause then. The "Satanic Panic" of the 80's brought on the interest of "Heavy Metal" youth, but this was different. We had no such terms and no such realities. Vineland sects were controlled mainly by elderly and wealthy members and Satan cults that met in the woods were just a cheap extension of that. I think the entire place was a bit like the "Dark Shadows" series. |
Wow, wild stuff!! New England always seemed to be fascinated with witches, Satanists etc.
In Chicago, we had guys who were with the "Church of the Process," whatever that was! I read their literature once, it didn't make a whole lot of sense....it mixed Christ, Satan, etc. in some kind of weird philosophy. However, they added to the color of the street scene!
Did they like prog? Jeez, who knows? |
Anton Le Vay started the First Church of Satan in San Francisco in the either the 60s or 70s, I can't remember which. He was a pretty creepy dude, and the church was a house where everything was painted black.  There were also cults in SoCal who sacrificed black cats on Halloween.
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I like this thread... The USA with all its radio stations was obviously very different from a small town in Scotland, but it still makes me realise i am among friends.
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Posted: August 30 2011 at 16:10 |
Jake Kobrin wrote:
Reading through this thread reminded me how important it is for me to support my local record stores! They're a rarity nowadays.
I was just wondering, were there used record stores back in the 70's? So if you couldn't get a record used you could still find it used at one of those stores? |
I don't remember any used record stores in the early 70's....I grew up in Southern California, grew up on 8track tapes and vinyl LP's.....I remember in the 6th grade I did very well and my father bought me a (I think) Superscope cassette deck, which I connected to my Montgomery Ward stereo system.....it was so bitchin!!!
Then a month later our house was broken into and all my stuff was gone......I know it was neighborhood kids. A month later dad bought me a better stereo system from Pacific Stereo and a new cassette deck with Dolby NR. What?!?.. it was sick.
All my vinyl back then was bought at Warehouse Records & Tapes, Tower Records, GEMCO and I think Federated Stereo was another one that had vinyl for sale as well as audio equipment.
I also used to tape so much stuff off the FM radio, especially after midnight, a lot of the stations would play full album sides uninterupted, with 4-5 second quite time before 1st track and after last....They knew it was for the home recordist. I clearly remember recording Pink Floyd Meddle in this manner and Genesis Nursery Cryme.
I do remember going to swap meets with my father as he used to love digging for old engine parts and stuff, and there were always people selling used 8tracks, cassettes and LPs......This is the only place I recall buying old music, never at a store though.
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Posted: August 30 2011 at 17:40 |
Progosopher wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
What was it like in the 60's and 70's in Vineland N.J.? George Dayner had built the "Palace of Depression" in Vineland N.J and it attracted witches and Satan worshippers to the town for decades. One sect in particular had revolted against Anton's Church of Satan on the west coast and they settled in Vineland. In 1971 police handcuffed kids in our classrooms who were brainwashed by the sect. A young man age 21 who tutored students in our school was sacrificed in a Satan ritual. Charles Pangburn conducted a 2 year investigation and found evidence of an underground sect. There was the brutal murder of Roger Carletto in 1957 by the hand of Juan Rivera Aponte who performed a Black Magic ritual on the boy. The 3rd generation Watchtower society was channeling demons through a young girl in Mill Woods. She later confessed that she was abused by the cult. Four doctors and one nurse gave the girl's father Rx's and she was drug induced for rituals. Satan cults held gatherings in wooded areas and if you were camping you could hear the sing song chanting which later developed into screams and cries. All through the 80's as well. Vampire cults, Satan cults, corrupted JW's and you name it. That is why I left for the road at age 18.
Satan was in the media during the 70's, but fads had little to do with reason or cause then. The "Satanic Panic" of the 80's brought on the interest of "Heavy Metal" youth, but this was different. We had no such terms and no such realities. Vineland sects were controlled mainly by elderly and wealthy members and Satan cults that met in the woods were just a cheap extension of that. I think the entire place was a bit like the "Dark Shadows" series. |
Wow, wild stuff!! New England always seemed to be fascinated with witches, Satanists etc.
In Chicago, we had guys who were with the "Church of the Process," whatever that was! I read their literature once, it didn't make a whole lot of sense....it mixed Christ, Satan, etc. in some kind of weird philosophy. However, they added to the color of the street scene!
Did they like prog? Jeez, who knows? |
Anton Le Vay started the First Church of Satan in San Francisco in the either the 60s or 70s, I can't remember which. He was a pretty creepy dude, and the church was a house where everything was painted black. There were also cults in SoCal who sacrificed black cats on Halloween. |
The Church of Satan had nothing to do with your spirit or Judeo Christian concepts about demons. In Vineland during the 70's the police had confiscated a diary among other things out of the victim's room and that led them to investigate members who revolted against Le Vay and had migrated to our hometown in 69' or 70'. This was pre-Temple of Set and when these people were living in town ....it was a few years before Michael Aquinio had departed from the Church of Satan. According to police they had evidence of the sect posing in our town 3 years prior to Aquinio and Sinclair forming the offical Temple of Set
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Posted: August 30 2011 at 18:55 |
TODDLER wrote:
Progosopher wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
What was it like in the 60's and 70's in Vineland N.J.? George Dayner had built the "Palace of Depression" in Vineland N.J and it attracted witches and Satan worshippers to the town for decades. One sect in particular had revolted against Anton's Church of Satan on the west coast and they settled in Vineland. In 1971 police handcuffed kids in our classrooms who were brainwashed by the sect. A young man age 21 who tutored students in our school was sacrificed in a Satan ritual. Charles Pangburn conducted a 2 year investigation and found evidence of an underground sect. There was the brutal murder of Roger Carletto in 1957 by the hand of Juan Rivera Aponte who performed a Black Magic ritual on the boy. The 3rd generation Watchtower society was channeling demons through a young girl in Mill Woods. She later confessed that she was abused by the cult. Four doctors and one nurse gave the girl's father Rx's and she was drug induced for rituals. Satan cults held gatherings in wooded areas and if you were camping you could hear the sing song chanting which later developed into screams and cries. All through the 80's as well. Vampire cults, Satan cults, corrupted JW's and you name it. That is why I left for the road at age 18.
Satan was in the media during the 70's, but fads had little to do with reason or cause then. The "Satanic Panic" of the 80's brought on the interest of "Heavy Metal" youth, but this was different. We had no such terms and no such realities. Vineland sects were controlled mainly by elderly and wealthy members and Satan cults that met in the woods were just a cheap extension of that. I think the entire place was a bit like the "Dark Shadows" series. |
Wow, wild stuff!! New England always seemed to be fascinated with witches, Satanists etc.
In Chicago, we had guys who were with the "Church of the Process," whatever that was! I read their literature once, it didn't make a whole lot of sense....it mixed Christ, Satan, etc. in some kind of weird philosophy. However, they added to the color of the street scene!
Did they like prog? Jeez, who knows? |
Anton Le Vay started the First Church of Satan in San Francisco in the either the 60s or 70s, I can't remember which. He was a pretty creepy dude, and the church was a house where everything was painted black. There were also cults in SoCal who sacrificed black cats on Halloween. |
The Church of Satan had nothing to do with your spirit or Judeo Christian concepts about demons. In Vineland during the 70's the police had confiscated a diary among other things out of the victim's room and that led them to investigate members who revolted against Le Vay and had migrated to our hometown in 69' or 70'. This was pre-Temple of Set and when these people were living in town ....it was a few years before Michael Aquinio had departed from the Church of Satan. According to police they had evidence of the sect posing in our town 3 years prior to Aquinio and Sinclair forming the offical Temple of Set |
Yeah, there are always variants with these sort of things. One might even say deviations. 
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Posted: August 30 2011 at 19:34 |
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The first thing is that supposedly the time that a record would spend on the shelves was very limited. As opposed to nowadays where you can go into a record store and find albums that span a bands entire career, it was like by the time Red was released, you couldn't find ITCOTCK in stores anywhere. When it came to obscure albums on less successful labels, it was even more exaggerated.
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Not exactly true.
In Southern California, we had our trusty sites that had pretty much everything and you could get it. Tower on the Strip was very good until they decided they wanted to be come top ten sellers at/around 1985. They became another idiot rock shop after that. The Warehouse in Westwood was magnificent and had EVERYTHING you could think of. And for imports, the real problem with Moby Disk was? ... wtf am I going to get ... and all this was within an hour and 15 minutes of a nice, relaxed and fun drive ... with Ventura Highway on the dial for Guy Guden and myself!
In Santa Barbara, a smaller town, it was a bit different ... it was about having to be "cool" when the radio signlas from KMET, KLOS and KPFK can reach you all day long ... which would take away from the local flavor and such ... but it added to the mix, because Santa Barbara was not quite an "unknown" for a lot of people in the "business".
The stores in SB would have one copy or two and usually would not reload anything after those copies sold, and sometimes (later) you found it at the used album bins at Morninglory Music ... and I got a lot of things from there to fill out the collection, specially for American and English stuff, as there was no sense in buying it new in LA, when it came around sooner or later ... but you were not going to find Peter Hammill, or Van Der Graaf Generator in Santa Barbara ... but at Moby Disk? ... EVERYTHING. When Guy Guden started doing some weekly nights at Rockpile, some more albums that Guy also played were made available, but I can not tell you how well that went, as I had already left SB in the fall of 1982.
San Francisco was good too, and Rasputin was the greatest heaven send for music you ever saw, and I can not speak for them in the last 15 years ... but needless to say that rock/pop section was so big you got a headache when you walked in ... and if you didn't find anything, it was because you were not looking, or you lost your way in the madness of quantity!
The Pacific Northwest? Not worth the discussion. I got a few things from Tower Record in Portland, but they stunk, and Tower in Seattle was even worse, and I had to depend on used record stores a lot for the rest of the 80's and 90's.
As soon as the internet hit in the 90's, my problems with acquiring music ended.
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Original albums by bands like Capability Brown (just as a for example) are so rare because their albums were taken off of the shelf only weeks after the album was released, and not stocked in many stores to begin with. And after they'd been removed, it isn't likely that you'd ever hear about the record in the first place, or be able to order it.
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It was not an issue when you already knew where to go and get these things. Your local sh*t&dip store was not intelligent enough to order things, and you already knew where to go spend your dollars!
I bought the album sight unseen and sight unheard because of the cover of the VOICE album, and to this day is one of my most prized and appreciated albums I have ever heard! No review or thoughts have ever come close to the love and care and beauty of those vocals and music!
The main difference was ... that you stopped asking radio, newspaper, your sister, or someone else to tell you to go listen to something or you weren't cool. Once you "found" your way, the rest disappears.
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And the radio was similar. By 1970 you'd never hear a song from Sgt Peppers or something because 3 years was considered "old." There was also a supposed gap in band audiences. The guys that listened to Black Sabbath weren't the same people that listened to The Beatles, for example (though this wasn't true for everyone, I'm sure.)
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WRONG. The early FM stations from LA specially, like KMET and KLOS, were really big on longer cuts and the Beatles were excellent fodder to light up the air waves with "hip-ness" when a hot shot DJ wanted to make a point. Even Jim Ladd used to think that a segway from "A Day in Life" to Side 2 of the Moody Blues "Days of Future Passed" was heavy, and would follow it up with some Jethro Tull ... no big deal at all. However, I do not remember Jim, or those stations, ever playing King Crimson ... at all! But he was big on ELP. KNAC I never heard, but is known to have had, and played, the absolute greatest array of imports and music from Europe and Japan, you could possibly ever have heard!
At the time, I would say 1970, 1971 and 1972, it was the hey day of FM radio ... and its biggest thing was long cuts, as a total rejection of the AM radio formats. The by-product of that was ... that you had a lot of longer cuts and far out stuff, because there were no "hits" defined by f_______ billboard, or p___________________ves ... and it was an amazing amalgamation of music that was far out ... you would hear a 10 minute Bob Dylan, followed by Willie Nelson, then Outlaws, then Flying Burrito Brothers, then Moody Blues, then Simon and Garfunkel, then some Deep Purple, then some Rolling Stones, then some Lola (Kinks -- big LA favorite due to one song!), then Black Sabbath, then some Pink Floyd, then Iron Butterfly, then Led Zeppelin, then some Grateful Dead ... and you had a nice couple of hours and then some ... and opppsss ... forgot ... you had to have one Crosby Stills and Nash and maybe some Joni Mitchell, so you were being hip and cool ... and not ostracized for not being with it!
It was when FM radio hit it big time, since at first all the famous and big name AM radio pewople were making fun of it and saying things like ... you call that radio? ... and one day the FM radio ratings started soaring over the AM stations, and they all lost their millions in the next 5 years ... and by 1980 .. FM radio was just another crappy radio station and it's been the same thing all the way through 2000 when the Satelite thing came around ... which now was just another corporate affair paying the rich boys and girls and nothing else ... it was not about the music!
Btw, for the record ... most radio was NEVER about the music, and if you think it was, you are full of it and never really listened to it. Based on my experiences, radio was all about getting the girls, free drinks and food ... and the free music ... the rest ?? ... who cares! ... but it was fun! ... and the girls? ... even more fun, compared to the rest of the girls out there!
So yeah ... radio was ...
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Also I'm pretty sure it was very divided by country, so getting stuff like Amon Duul II in the states would have been very difficult.
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Got my first AD2 album in 1972 in the used bin at Morninglory Music in Santa Barbara ... the cover of the album looked cool and we thought it might be worth a listen. And it wasn't a problem after that, after Guy got on the air and blasted out all those foreign bands.
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I'm pretty sure if I lived back then, I'd end up buying every album I saw that seemed like prog, psych, or heavy music.
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Doubt it. When you are young you don't have that much money to go around and you have to get selective sometimes.
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We have it so easy nowadays to be able to get any album we want with barely moving a muscle, and to receive such a huge amount of recommendations when it comes to what we listen to.
And then not to mention concert tickets. Nowadays we all buy them online, but I think that people rarely bought tickets in advanced except for arena shows and for those arena shows, they had to wait in line for hours and hours to get a good seat.
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Extremelly ... and it's way easier to access and know what is going on, and I'm glad there is no radio for it, and I don't even use PA for suggestions. Nothing personal, but when you made your living being an artist, and you know your muse, asking someone else for the muse is redundant, stupid and bizarre.
Edited by moshkito - August 31 2011 at 20:04
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Posted: August 30 2011 at 19:59 |
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A guy named Marty who used to sell imports out of the back of his station wagon opened Jem Records in the industrial park in South Plainfield and North Plainfield N.J. You could order from Jem yourself or have the record shops do it. Archie Patterson who was affiliated with Green World on the west coast formed Eurock continued to carry the torch for prog and electronic. Steve F. opened Wayside Music in Maryland which sold the early RIO stuff on LP and obscure prog from various countries. Because these guys were so determined to push prog that was long deleted in the U.S. on domestic labels....it made things a whole lot easier for people like me who were collectors.If you didn't have these particular mail order connections you were in the dark because not all shops did special import ordering.
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And sometimes I think that these three people deserve more credit for developing "progressive music" than any definition anyone could come up with, that ProgArchives is not capable of discussing, checking and chasing ... because some of these people are real pioneers, and much more so than a lot of the musicians themselves!
But in those days, it was "imports" ... not "progressive" for us all in America.
Archie is still the eccentric turkey he ever was ... and son of a gun, I still can't afford to buy anything from him! But Archie has the most amazing selection the world over, not just one place, that no one else has the balls to check out and listen to! He KNOWS more music from more countries than all the folks together in this board! And his catalogue is insane and probably a great portion of it is not even reviewed here!
Jem was originally associated with Nektar and Passport I think.
Steve and Wayside, for some reason, never had stuff that I could get into or appreciate ... I was more into the rock styles and I think he went for the jazzier stuff.
Edited by moshkito - September 02 2011 at 17:29
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Posted: August 30 2011 at 20:25 |
Eärendil wrote:
What I'm getting here is that people were much more open-minded musically back then. I'm sure not everyone listened to Red on the beach, but today if you play the modern equivalent of that, people would freak out. Part of the problem is that I live in Indiana (not exactly a liberal state), but I've never actually met anyone that likes "weirder" music than I do, or even close to the variety I like. |
Hahahaha!!!
Except I'm not from Indiana! And you do not have weirder music than I do ... and if you don't have Bernard Herrman Soundtracks you are definitly missing out!
No more and no less open minded than today.
No more and no less social hunkers than yesterday or today.
The biggest issue today, is that places like this website, have a tendency to create a world order and tell people what to think, which in the end hurts the music appreciation and the state of the art. And unffortunately for the people that do that, is that they are not accepting that it was a part of the revolution of the 60's ... to create change ... and one of the biggest changes that everyone wanted? ... told what they were and weren't ... and lose your individuality ... and sites like this hurt the artist concept more than they help.
It doesn't help that the over abuncance of comments -- everyone has something to say -- tends to also destroy everyone's ability to decide for themselves what they like and what they want to listen to. What scares me here the most? ... people saying they are tired of this or that ... and mostly it is the genre that they got stuck on ... we didn't get stuck on genre's in those days ... we had "more choices" ... and a board like this, which has more choices than anyone, actually tends to suggest less than it can ... and it does so by separating the items so hard (and harshly) to the point where the appreciation of the music is rendered worthless.
We might have gotten that in the top ten radio (AM radio) in those days, but FM radio did not have a top ten for 10 years until it was bought out by all the record companies ... dig this ... the major conglomerate that distributes music in America owns the single largest number of FM stations in the country ... do you wonder why I do not listen to FM radio anymore? ... they only play the "artists" they deliver to all the stores, and nothing else, and don't even follow the required rules that the FCC had requested for these stations in the big city ... the requirements of which are being filled out by PSA's.
It is good for commercial music, and everyone loves the top ten of course! Even here!
But in those days, it was totally against the wind and the top ten ... and it meant something ... until some media f**kers gave us Woodstock to make us all seemed totally stupid, drunk, and not appreciative of a lot of music and arts that our generation created ... and killed it ... by showing us a national anthem right in front of GARBAGE. The music was meaningless and the acid was sh*t ...
To be honest with you there are many times I find a parallel between that image and this board! Great place to get stoned, but it doesn't mean anything to most people and their life!
Edited by moshkito - August 30 2011 at 21:03
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Posted: August 30 2011 at 21:02 |
darkshade wrote:
Very cool read, guys.
Didn't you older folks light up cigarette lighters during a slower song at a show?  Everyone now uses their cell phone light.
The best thing Ive gotten from this thread is that listening to music with a group of friends was an activity in itself. Nowadays, if you want to listen to music with friends, there needs to be some other activity going on, because someone will yell "I'm bored".
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Yep, a sea of Bics.  The group listening with my friends was generally with herbal enhancement, so nobody wanted to do any other activity. Changing the record was tough enough....
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Posted: August 30 2011 at 22:04 |
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A guy named Marty who used to sell imports out of the back of his station wagon opened Jem Records in the industrial park in South Plainfield and North Plainfield N.J. You could order from Jem yourself or have the record shops do it. Archie Patterson who was affiliated with Green World on the west coast formed Eurock continued to carry the torch for prog and electronic. Steve F. opened Wayside Music in Maryland which sold the early RIO stuff on LP and obscure prog from various countries. Because these guys were so determined to push prog that was long deleted in the U.S. on domestic labels....it made things a whole lot easier for people like me who were collectors.If you didn't have these particular mail order connections you were in the dark because not all shops did special import ordering.
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And sometimes I think that these three people deserve more credit for developing "progressive music" than any definition anyone could come up with.
But in those days, it was "imports" ... not "progressive" for us all in America.
Archie is still the eccentric turkey he ever was ... and son of a gun, I still can't afford to buy anything from him! But Archie has the most amazing selection the world over, not just one place, that no one else has the balls to check out and listen to! He KNOWS more music from more countries than all the folks together in this board! And his catalogue is insane and probably a great portion of it is not even reviewed here!
Yeah! The guy lived through the timesand he interviewed a lot of German musicians on the Krautrock and Electronic scene . Wizard Projects, John Dyson, Amon Dull II , Mani and I was in heaven. Archie is a wise guy and he cracks me up.
Jem was originally associated with Nektar and Passport I think . I remember when I discovered Jem and I was freaking out because I knew then that I had the chance to purchase underground European prog on LP. Jem saved me from the dread of the east coast. Third Street Jazz and Rock in Philadelphia had a incredible selection, but sometimes the local DJ's would buy it all up.
Steve and Wayside, for some reason, never had stuff that I could get into or appreciate ... I was more into the rock styles and I think he went for the jazzier stuff.
Yes he was into the Jazz more. I liked his Rio selection.
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Posted: August 30 2011 at 22:16 |
darkshade wrote:
Very cool read, guys.
Didn't you older folks light up cigarette lighters during a slower song at a show? Everyone now uses their cell phone light.
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Their cell phone? No that's just wrong; I will not, upon hearing 'Hells Bells' at my next AC/DC show, raise my cell phone. I'd be beaten to a pulp and set afire by everyone holding their lighters, and rightly so.
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Posted: August 30 2011 at 22:26 |
moshkito wrote:
Eärendil wrote:
What I'm getting here is that people were much more open-minded musically back then. I'm sure not everyone listened to Red on the beach, but today if you play the modern equivalent of that, people would freak out. Part of the problem is that I live in Indiana (not exactly a liberal state), but I've never actually met anyone that likes "weirder" music than I do, or even close to the variety I like. |
Hahahaha!!!
Except I'm not from Indiana! And you do not have weirder music than I do ... and if you don't have Bernard Herrman Soundtracks you are definitly missing out!
I love Bernard Hermann's soundtracks.
No more and no less open minded than today.
No more and no less social hunkers than yesterday or today.
The biggest issue today, is that places like this website, have a tendency to create a world order and tell people what to think, which in the end hurts the music appreciation and the state of the art. And unffortunately for the people that do that, is that they are not accepting that it was a part of the revolution of the 60's ... to create change ... and one of the biggest changes that everyone wanted? ... told what they were and weren't ... and lose your individuality ... and sites like this hurt the artist concept more than they help.
It doesn't help that the over abuncance of comments -- everyone has something to say -- tends to also destroy everyone's ability to decide for themselves what they like and what they want to listen to. What scares me here the most? ... people saying they are tired of this or that ... and mostly it is the genre that they got stuck on ... we didn't get stuck on genre's in those days ... we had "more choices" ... and a board like this, which has more choices than anyone, actually tends to suggest less than it can ... and it does so by separating the items so hard (and harshly) to the point where the appreciation of the music is rendered worthless.
We might have gotten that in the top ten radio (AM radio) in those days, but FM radio did not have a top ten for 10 years until it was bought out by all the record companies ... dig this ... the major conglomerate that distributes music in America owns the single largest number of FM stations in the country ... do you wonder why I do not listen to FM radio anymore? ... they only play the "artists" they deliver to all the stores, and nothing else, and don't even follow the required rules that the FCC had requested for these stations in the big city ... the requirements of which are being filled out by PSA's.
True! True! and very true! Why does it seem as if a lot of people don't get this? Is it the seperation of generations? We were exposed to everything as a way of life. Every single point you bring out here about AM and FM. It shouldn't be the seperate....I can't relate to the older folks thing because when I was a kid I kept an open mind about my father's taste in music. Okay...I didn't care for Sinatra, but I knew that Johnny Smith and Charlie Christian were interesting guitar players at age 10 which was about 6 or 7 years before YES hit the scene and color me surprised when I discoverd that Steve Howe was a huge fan of Charlie Christian and Jim Hall. It does seem like people don't take us old cats seriously......like we are jive to everyone. You must be my sister's age and I feel I know exactly where you are coming from. Everything you say is historically correct.
It is good for commercial music, and everyone loves the top ten of course! Even here!
But in those days, it was totally against the wind and the top ten ... and it meant something ... until some media f**kers gave us Woodstock to make us all seemed totally stupid, drunk, and not appreciative of a lot of music and arts that our generation created ... and killed it ... by showing us a national anthem right in front of GARBAGE. The music was meaningless and the acid was sh*t ... I think Woodstock was the spark for CHEAP Stadium Rock. It all started with Ten Years After and the song i'M Going Home. I mean Mike Bloomfield wasn't like that? Canned Heat were more underground then that. What the hell happened? Wasn't it I'm Going Home that sparked off the Staduim cheapness?
To be honest with you there are many times I find a parallel between that image and this board! Great place to get stoned, but it doesn't mean anything to most people and their life! |
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ergaster wrote:
darkshade wrote:
Very cool read, guys.
Didn't you older folks light up cigarette lighters during a slower song at a show? Everyone now uses their cell phone light.
The best thing Ive gotten from this thread is that listening to music with a group of friends was an activity in itself. Nowadays, if you want to listen to music with friends, there needs to be some other activity going on, because someone will yell "I'm bored".
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Yep, a sea of Bics.
The group listening with my friends was generally with herbal enhancement, so nobody wanted to do any other activity. Changing the record was tough enough....
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Hah! More like "a sea of lit joints!!" 
And, yes, getting buzzed and listening to hours & hours of Yes, KC, ELP etc. with the buds was (and remains) an essential component of growing up in those times. Good point about the challenge of flipping the vinyl platter over, too!
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I grew up on Long Island and I was 12 in 1975. I think underground Prog was called simply
called "Imports" back then, because that's what all of it was. Long Island radio was awesome.
I would hear a lot of Tangerine Dream, Nectar, Synergy, and of course very early Peter Gabriel.
I saw Hammill twice in NYC, I think it was between 1978 to 1980. The vibes were so conducive
to young people that I could understand the value of someone like Hammill when I wasn't even
out of High School. I was definitely helped out by the older people around me.
At my hometown library, they had a copy of Trilogy and Trespass. This must have been around 1976. They also had Einstein on the Beach right when it came out, like a five album set. I was a synthhead and bought my first synth (a PAIA kit) in 1975. My sister got me the first Synergy album when it came out, met Genesis on the
road around 1975 or so.
Practically everyone in my high school that I knew, jocks, everyone who overheard us talk in class,
knew Brain Salad Surgery. The jocks at parties used to sing, "Welcome back my friends...." Was
kind of weird!
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When i was at high school, our music teacher played the class ELP - Pictures at an Exhibition. It was a misguided attempt to get us 'kids' interested in classical music by playing some 'popular rock'.... Doubly misguided as the Sex Pistols ' Never Mind the bollocks' was the talk of the class by then
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I bought my first album in 74 (Crime Of The Century) at age 12... So I was 17 when the 70's ended, but by that time I owned probably well over 900 records and had sold back some more 700 (to finance new acquisitions) and had bought a fairlyexpensive Yamaha hi-fi in 77 (being a newspaper boy until roughly 17, I made my own pocket money on top of getting some parental allowances)....
I used to discover mostly by buying second-hand vinyls (sometimes 1/3 of the price of the new ones), based on mostly on my instinct (3 hints... Artworks,....line-up & instruments ... track lengths), because I had no big brothers and was in some ways somewhat of a bit of a musical trend-setter among some of my buddies... Imports were found azt more consequent prices in second-hand shops, but we also had a special import store at hand as well.
So in terms of word-spreader, I was right in the middle of things and yes, cassettes were regularly exchanged... we had also very cool radios (CHOM-FM, for ex), but by the end of the decade, they basically weren't the shadow of their former selves.
wjohnd wrote:
When i was at high school, our music teacher played the class ELP - Pictures at an Exhibition. It was a misguided attempt to get us 'kids' interested in classical music by playing some 'popular rock'....
Doubly misguided as the Sex Pistols ' Never Mind the bollocks' was the talk of the class by then |
I had an English teacher in Montreal that tought us some English through some of the Beatles' albums (Sgt pepper and Abbey road, mainly).... Learned the language ..... in seconds flat
One female chemestry teacher (cute too) once spent a whole class discussing the merits of the Zep Clan, the Floyd Faction, the Stones Club, the Rush crowd and the AC/DC throng... We adopted her... and never gave her bullsh*t or trouble...
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Maaaan, it was horrible, we all had to grow long hair, smoke a lot of dope, call each other "man", wear tie-die t-shirts and bell-bottom blue jeans.
Edited by Slartibartfast - August 31 2011 at 11:58
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: August 31 2011 at 12:06 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Maaaan, it was horrible, we all had to grow long hair, smoke a lot of dope, call each other "man", wear tie-die t-shirts and bell-bottom blue jeans.
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wjohnd wrote:
When i was at high school, our music teacher played the class ELP - Pictures at an Exhibition. It was a misguided attempt to get us 'kids' interested in classical music by playing some 'popular rock'....Doubly misguided as the Sex Pistols ' Never Mind the bollocks' was the talk of the class by then |
Yep, same here. My art teacher at secondary modern would play Yes, genesis, ELP, Dylan to us, whilst all the rest of the class wanted to listen to The Pistols, Clash & etc. I got a few beatings for being the only one who appreciated what he put on! 
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I received an A in a English Lit class for playing The Revealing Science Of God and projecting the words off the album cover with a overhead projector. The English Lit teacher was a former Nun, she was enthralled.
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