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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 10:56
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

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When we go over to their countries we have to respect their customs and traditions and a good example is the cosumption of alcohol. If they want to come over to France, Canada, The United States etc. to live or visit they have to respect ours. It's cut and dry as far as I'm concerned. Some of these people come over to western countries for a  better life and we're prepared to giv it to them. What I don't understand is why they want to push their sh*t on us.





Sounds like you could become governor of Arizona.  Wink
Sounds like you should listen to what the guy in the video Mr. Progfreak posted has to sayWink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 11:01
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I haven't read down the thread but here's my view.

First off how do we know it's a woman under there. Maybe some criminal will get an idea to use it as a disguise to rob the corner store or an armoured car.



Man, I'm glad you weren't in power when I wore my awesome invisible man costume a couple of Halloween's ago.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 11:02
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I haven't read down the thread but here's my view.

First off how do we know it's a woman under there. Maybe some criminal will get an idea to use it as a disguise to rob the corner store or an armoured car.

When we go over to their countries we have to respect their customs and traditions and a good example is the cosumption of alcohol. If they want to come over to France, Canada, The United States etc. to live or visit they have to respect ours. It's cut and dry as far as I'm concerned. Some of these people come over to western countries for a  better life and we're prepared to giv it to them. What I don't understand is why they want to push their sh*t on us.

One thing that has a lot of people still pissed here in Canada  is that the East Indians who join the Royal Canadian Mounted Police are permitted to wear turbans. Th RCMP is full of tradition and the uniform reflects that. I had a friend who was pulled over for speeding by an officer wearing a turban and he refused to co-operate until an officer was sent wearing the proper uniform. So they actually sent another cruiser with an officer with the proper uniform and he got his speeding ticket. There is also provisions in the Canadian Forces for them to wear tubans as part of the uniform.

Well there's my take on all this.



What sh*t exactly are they pushing on us? The decision for them to personally wear a type of headdress that they chose while taking no position on what anybody besides their individual self should wear?

Oh yeah look at them push their culture on us. Why can't they learn how to properly and respectfully conform to other's cultures like us Westerners. The pilgrims and the Indians, they knew how to respect each other's culture.

And just so know this exists for criminals to rob armored cars (lol) and is perfectly legal:




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 11:06
OK I'll watch the damn video. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 11:06
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:



When we go over to their countries we have to respect their customs and traditions and a good example is the cosumption of alcohol. If they want to come over to France, Canada, The United States etc. to live or visit they have to respect ours. It's cut and dry as far as I'm concerned. Some of these people come over to western countries for a  better life and we're prepared to giv it to them. What I don't understand is why they want to push their sh*t on us.





Sounds like you could become governor of Arizona.  Wink

Sorry, Mel Gibson was recently nominated by the GOP... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 11:24
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:



What he said. Approve

This time I totally agree with your video Mike. 
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"When in Rome....."   ...or Paris  Wink
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 11:47
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:



When we go over to their countries we have to respect their customs and traditions and a good example is the cosumption of alcohol. If they want to come over to France, Canada, The United States etc. to live or visit they have to respect ours. It's cut and dry as far as I'm concerned. Some of these people come over to western countries for a  better life and we're prepared to giv it to them. What I don't understand is why they want to push their sh*t on us.





Sounds like you could become governor of Arizona.  Wink

Sorry, Mel Gibson was recently nominated by the GOP... Wink
 
 
Only if that King dude from the Black Panthers is the Dems candidate.  This guy calls for the killing of whites and white babies publicly, on tape, and it gets almost zero attention. 
 
Doesn't support the narrative that only white people hate.  Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 11:48
Sadly I would like for people to dress as they want to, but the problem with the burka is that is perfect for concealing a terrorist and his/her weapons.  Are there not a sufficient number of countries that will allow or even require you to wear one if you're a woman?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 11:51
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Sadly I would like for people to dress as they want to, but the problem with the burka is that is perfect for concealing a terrorist and his/her weapons.  Are there not a sufficient number of countries that will allow or even require you to wear one if you're a woman?


I'm pretty sure terrorists would prefer trench coats, not something that greatly restricts peripheral vision.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 11:58
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Sadly I would like for people to dress as they want to, but the problem with the burka is that is perfect for concealing a terrorist and his/her weapons.  Are there not a sufficient number of countries that will allow or even require you to wear one if you're a woman?


I'm pretty sure terrorists would prefer trench coats, not something that greatly restricts peripheral vision.

It greatly restricts everything... yet men force it on women... And we're supposed to defend their right to do so... Go figure. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 11:58
^ and insures scrutiny due to belonging to the ethnicity considered to be terrorists
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 11:59
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:



When we go over to their countries we have to respect their customs and traditions and a good example is the cosumption of alcohol. If they want to come over to France, Canada, The United States etc. to live or visit they have to respect ours. It's cut and dry as far as I'm concerned. Some of these people come over to western countries for a  better life and we're prepared to giv it to them. What I don't understand is why they want to push their sh*t on us.





Sounds like you could become governor of Arizona.  Wink

Sorry, Mel Gibson was recently nominated by the GOP... Wink
 
 
Only if that King dude from the Black Panthers is the Dems candidate.  This guy calls for the killing of whites and white babies publicly, on tape, and it gets almost zero attention. 
 
Doesn't support the narrative that only white people hate.  Wink

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And yes, hate comes from both sides. A little more from the hating side of course (whichever it is Tongue)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 12:00
ban the poncho in arizona.........and on and on
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 12:07
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Sadly I would like for people to dress as they want to, but the problem with the burka is that is perfect for concealing a terrorist and his/her weapons.  Are there not a sufficient number of countries that will allow or even require you to wear one if you're a woman?


I'm pretty sure terrorists would prefer trench coats, not something that greatly restricts peripheral vision.

It greatly restricts everything... yet men force it on women... And we're supposed to defend their right to do so... Go figure. 


So you assume.  You didn't read the article I posted apparently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 12:16
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Sadly I would like for people to dress as they want to, but the problem with the burka is that is perfect for concealing a terrorist and his/her weapons.  Are there not a sufficient number of countries that will allow or even require you to wear one if you're a woman?


I'm pretty sure terrorists would prefer trench coats, not something that greatly restricts peripheral vision.

It greatly restricts everything... yet men force it on women... And we're supposed to defend their right to do so... Go figure. 


So you assume.  You didn't read the article I posted apparently.

The article never says "women are happy with burkas" or "women don't care about using burkas". It just says that there are more pressing needs in their minds, like free vote, and the possibility to work, among other ones. Don't you think once women start to get more equal rights to men burkas will become more of a priority? 

The article doesn't negate my assumption (I agree it's one). It just puts it aside in favor of more pressing issues (which I agree are even more important). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 12:24
Well something good has come out of all this. It changes my halloween costume plans for this year. Originally I was going to go as Herman Munster and my wife was going to go as Lilly Munster. But I've changed my mind. I'll dress up in a burqa and be the woman and my wife can dress up as the arab man. Bit of a problem though. I'm 6 foot 3 and my wife is only 5 foot 7. It's going to look a bit strange but hey it's halloween everybody looks a bit strange on halloween.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 12:27
That article you posted sends the exact opposite message to the one you are trying to imply, Rob LOL It says clear that women in Muslim countries want equality between sexes (meaning, equal rights for women), and they know this happens in the West. France shouldn't disappoint. Also, the fact that women in Muslim countries have other, more important, issues does not concern the situation in France, simply because those issue don't exist in France.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 12:32
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

That article you posted sends the exact opposite message to the one you are trying to imply, Rob LOL It says clear that women in Muslim countries want equality between sexes (meaning, equal rights for women), and they know this happens in the West. France shouldn't disappoint. Also, the fact that women in Muslim countries have other, more important, issues does not concern the situation in France, simply because those issue don't exist in France.

You are not going to solve the women's rights issue in the Muslim world with this law.  You simply won't.

But there will be women, strange as it may seem to us non-Muslims, who are now forbidden to wear (their choice) the garments that are part of their heritage and culture - as much as that culture may be abhorrent to the average Westerner.

I think this is just a difference in mindset between the American and the European and we're probably just bewildered at the others' take on this.  Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 12:34
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Sadly I would like for people to dress as they want to, but the problem with the burka is that is perfect for concealing a terrorist and his/her weapons.  Are there not a sufficient number of countries that will allow or even require you to wear one if you're a woman?


I'm pretty sure terrorists would prefer trench coats, not something that greatly restricts peripheral vision.

It greatly restricts everything... yet men force it on women... And we're supposed to defend their right to do so... Go figure. 


So you assume.  You didn't read the article I posted apparently.

The article never says "women are happy with burkas" or "women don't care about using burkas". It just says that there are more pressing needs in their minds, like free vote, and the possibility to work, among other ones. Don't you think once women start to get more equal rights to men burkas will become more of a priority? 

The article doesn't negate my assumption (I agree it's one). It just puts it aside in favor of more pressing issues (which I agree are even more important). 


From http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-burqa.htm

The Burqa is not worn much outside the three countries listed, but some women feel a sense of freedom wearing the burqa that they would not have otherwise. They cite that they don’t have to be concerned with personal appearance when they need to run quick errands. They don’t have to worry about being scrutinized or getting unwanted attention from men. Their personal expressions, except for in the eyes are hidden which can also promote better bargaining at certain shops.


I realize some Muslim women do not want to wear the garment, but it is clear that others appreciate it.



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