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thellama73 
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 Posted: May 12 2010 at 09:29 |
 clarke2001 wrote:
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When they will no new DVD available in stores, you'll see how much people will change their preferences to Blu Ray. It could take a lot of years, but it will be a new reality, like it or not. They're will be a new kind of Blu Ray, can't stop the technology...
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I disagree.
Stores changed their offer, gradually, from VHS tapes to DVDs. From Vinyl albums and cassettes to CDs.
But the new technology offered back then was radical, different, new. VHS tapes were slow, heavy, bulky, analog, tapes were prone to breakage. DVD offered digital reliability.
Blue-ray is nearly that revolutionary. It's digital media on steroids. Is it worth it? Surely, if you appreciate high-end performance. But in the war of formats, BluRay won over HD-DVD...by a hairline. I'm afraid it will be obsolete in a decade or so, going in history like one of those 'in-between' formats.
Everyone of my age (or older) remember diskettes (floppy disks of 3.5 inch size). They were ubiquitous. But what about the 'new, bigger, better, faster, more reliable' formats that came later and falled through the cracks of history? Mini disc, zip drive, jazz drive, digital cassette, where are they now?!? UMD, for God's sake! (And they were better, at least some of them, actually.)
Technically, there's no difference in storing the file that contains HD movies on BluRay or on a bunch of (thousands) floppy drives, providing you have a retrofit equipment for the practical use. (You can even store digital media on analog tape, but that's beside the point.) Where's the catch? In blue laser light? Is it really worth it?
In our (near) future, USB stick is the physical format that will prevail (or should). The next step will be, most likely, the complete absence of physical media - on-demand data online. Further on, we will reach quantum computers, and/or non-binary digital devices.
I'm not saying BluRay disk is no good, or not technically better than DVD, that's stupid. A new Ferrari is certainly better car than my old little Ford, no doubt about it: it's faster, stronger, better in overtaking, more stable on a winding road. But, price and availability aside, do I need it? No. I need a car with a reasonably high level of reliability that will transport me from A to B, while I'm able to appreciate the countryside. I'm not interested in driving 300 km/h.
Surely, if driving 300 km/h is your thing, go for Ferrari. If watching high-definition movies with stereo surround is your thing, go for it.
But I tell you one thing: my favourite music genre is progressive rock. I can tell you my favourite actors, directors and movie genres. I experienced them all through various media. Would be my opinion different if watched on different, better media? I don't think so.
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I was going to basically say this, but you beat me to it and did a better job of articulating it than I could. 
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 09:37 |
If we were to follow the Ferrari analogy, then both formats would share the same market (with different marketshares of course) because, as with the Ferrari, there will be people who want/need/afford the Blu-Ray. I don't understand why people perceive this as a war between the two. 
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 11:18 |
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JLocke
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 11:33 |
Before even looking at the poll results, I expected ignorance to win out.
I wasn't disappointed.
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JLocke
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 11:49 |
Epignosis wrote:
rdtprog wrote:
When they will no new DVD available in stores, you'll see how much people will change their preferences to Blu Ray. It could take a lot of years, but it will be a new reality, like it or not. They're will be a new kind of Blu Ray, can't stop the technology...
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I don't know- throughout the years several superior technologies have been marketed to the public and have failed to catch on sufficiently enough to become the new standard media.
In fact, I only know one household that has upgraded to Blu-Ray.
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Add three more, then. 'Cause you know me.
Myself, my father and my uncle have all upgraded to Blu-Ray. 
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 11:53 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
WE DO NOT NEED A NEW SYSTEM!
We are only lining the pockets of the rich companies making them more richer, buying thins we would never even consider if not advertised in such a manipulative way. Advertising is all about tellin us we need something we do not have. If the advertisers succeed in persuading us we must have a product, they are doing their job. That is their function. That is their motto. Tell the customer they must have a product even though they do not need it.
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You guys are gold.
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The T
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:01 |
KoS wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
WE DO NOT NEED A NEW SYSTEM!
We are only lining the pockets of the rich companies making them more richer, buying thins we would never even consider if not advertised in such a manipulative way. Advertising is all about tellin us we need something we do not have. If the advertisers succeed in persuading us we must have a product, they are doing their job. That is their function. That is their motto. Tell the customer they must have a product even though they do not need it.
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That is actually quite true, though that stupid "sell new stuff you don't need" thing helps drive the economy.
It's even worse when you have to be the one telling people how much they need this stuff when, deep down inside, you know they DON'T. (my case, my job deals with Home Theater products to be specific).
Having said that, is impossible to deny the superiority of bluray. I don't think people NEED it. But it's impossible to say it's not BETTER. Yes, a person with a ford focus doesn't NEED a ferrari. But that person can't say the ford car beats the crap out of the Italian horse, can he?
Anyway, I can tell you, bluray DOES sell. It's slowly gaining ground. Bluray players outsell dvd players. Let's see what happens. That's why it's better to buy a PS3 that keeps you covered but that you can use for other purposes.. 
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:06 |
I buy my players from a specialty place that modifies them so they will play ANY disc from any country or region, whatever....it plays it.
When I buy the next player, which will be BR if it really does kill DVD, does BR have the same issue with region coding? Does a Euro BR play on an USA BR machine?
If available I want a player that will play USA BR and DVD, plus foreign BR/DVD. Possible?
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thellama73
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:09 |
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Before even looking at the poll results, I expected ignorance to win out.
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So anyone who is content with the already great picture quality of DVDs and would rather spend their money on other things besides re-purchasing a bunch of movies they already have is ignorant? I could upgrade almost every product in my home and get better quality, but at some point you have to say "good enough!" and let it go. Not all of us are made of money.
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The T
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:12 |
Finnforest wrote:
I buy my players from a specialty place that modifies them so they will play ANY disc from any country or region, whatever....it plays it.
When I buy the next player, which will be BR if it really does kill DVD, does BR have the same issue with region coding? Does a Euro BR play on an USA BR machine?
If available I want a player that will play USA BR and DVD, plus foreign BR/DVD. Possible? |
DVD, for example, subdivides the american continent in two, north america (Zone 1) and south america (zone 4). With bluray, all the entire continent is region A. That's a good and reasonable change. But for European and asian and else releases, some modification you will still need.
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Finnforest
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:14 |
Cool, Thanks Teo!! 
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:16 |
The T wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I buy my players from a specialty place that modifies them so they will play ANY disc from any country or region, whatever....it plays it.
When I buy the next player, which will be BR if it really does kill DVD, does BR have the same issue with region coding? Does a Euro BR play on an USA BR machine?
If available I want a player that will play USA BR and DVD, plus foreign BR/DVD. Possible? |
DVD, for example, subdivides the american continent in two, north america (Zone 1) and south america (zone 4). With bluray, all the entire continent is region A. That's a good and reasonable change. But for European and asian and else releases, some modification you will still need. |
An insignificant change, since US consumers aren't exactly known for purchasing loads of Latin American films. However, there's a larger supply of material from Europe and Asia that does have demand in the States yet Blu-Ray failed to do anything. They could've gotten rid of the regional nonsense once and for all, but they didn't. Even less of a reason to switch...
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:20 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
The T wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I buy my players from a specialty place that modifies them so they will play ANY disc from any country or region, whatever....it plays it.
When I buy the next player, which will be BR if it really does kill DVD, does BR have the same issue with region coding? Does a Euro BR play on an USA BR machine?
If available I want a player that will play USA BR and DVD, plus foreign BR/DVD. Possible? |
DVD, for example, subdivides the american continent in two, north america (Zone 1) and south america (zone 4). With bluray, all the entire continent is region A. That's a good and reasonable change. But for European and asian and else releases, some modification you will still need. |
An insignificant change, since US consumers aren't exactly known for purchasing loads of Latin American films. However, there's a larger supply of material from Europe and Asia that does have demand in the States yet Blu-Ray failed to do anything. They could've gotten rid of the regional nonsense once and for all, but they didn't. Even less of a reason to switch...
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It makes a lot of sense for people who have to modify their players in south america to watch movies available in north america. Which, as you probably can guess, is the most likely scenario. Most movies are made in the US after all, whether they're mostly good or bad is another matter.
Regarding the "selling stuff you don't need" idea, I think, more so than bluray, the new 3D-TV thing is a waste of time and money. Again, I have to sell that sh*t but usually I only offer it when people ask me. I can't see any benefit in turning people into idiotic zombies with electronic glasses at home to see a hand reach out closer to their faces... Bluray was a leap in quality, 3D is a leap in zombiefication.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:27 |
The T wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
The T wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I buy my players from a specialty place that modifies them so they will play ANY disc from any country or region, whatever....it plays it.
When I buy the next player, which will be BR if it really does kill DVD, does BR have the same issue with region coding? Does a Euro BR play on an USA BR machine?
If available I want a player that will play USA BR and DVD, plus foreign BR/DVD. Possible? |
DVD, for example, subdivides the american continent in two, north america (Zone 1) and south america (zone 4). With bluray, all the entire continent is region A. That's a good and reasonable change. But for European and asian and else releases, some modification you will still need. |
An insignificant change, since US consumers aren't exactly known for purchasing loads of Latin American films. However, there's a larger supply of material from Europe and Asia that does have demand in the States yet Blu-Ray failed to do anything. They could've gotten rid of the regional nonsense once and for all, but they didn't. Even less of a reason to switch...
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It makes a lot of sense for people who have to modify their players in south america to watch movies available in north america. Which, as you probably can guess, is the most likely scenario. Most movies are made in the US after all, whether they're mostly good or bad is another matter.
Regarding the "selling stuff you don't need" idea, I think, more so than bluray, the new 3D-TV thing is a waste of time and money. Again, I have to sell that sh*t but usually I only offer it when people ask me. I can't see any benefit in turning people into idiotic zombies with electronic glasses at home to see a hand reach out closer to their faces... Bluray was a leap in quality, 3D is a leap in zombiefication. |
Most movies sold in Latin America are pirated DVDs that sell for a dollar. 3D-TV? Never heard of it, though it sounds extremely naff.
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The T
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:30 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
The T wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
The T wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I buy my players from a specialty place that modifies them so they will play ANY disc from any country or region, whatever....it plays it.
When I buy the next player, which will be BR if it really does kill DVD, does BR have the same issue with region coding? Does a Euro BR play on an USA BR machine?
If available I want a player that will play USA BR and DVD, plus foreign BR/DVD. Possible? |
DVD, for example, subdivides the american continent in two, north america (Zone 1) and south america (zone 4). With bluray, all the entire continent is region A. That's a good and reasonable change. But for European and asian and else releases, some modification you will still need. |
An insignificant change, since US consumers aren't exactly known for purchasing loads of Latin American films. However, there's a larger supply of material from Europe and Asia that does have demand in the States yet Blu-Ray failed to do anything. They could've gotten rid of the regional nonsense once and for all, but they didn't. Even less of a reason to switch...
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It makes a lot of sense for people who have to modify their players in south america to watch movies available in north america. Which, as you probably can guess, is the most likely scenario. Most movies are made in the US after all, whether they're mostly good or bad is another matter.
Regarding the "selling stuff you don't need" idea, I think, more so than bluray, the new 3D-TV thing is a waste of time and money. Again, I have to sell that sh*t but usually I only offer it when people ask me. I can't see any benefit in turning people into idiotic zombies with electronic glasses at home to see a hand reach out closer to their faces... Bluray was a leap in quality, 3D is a leap in zombiefication. |
Most movies sold in Latin America are pirated DVDs that sell for a dollar.
3D-TV? Never heard of it, though it sounds extremely naff.
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I know that. I lived in South America until 2005 after all. And in my country that piracy has pretty much been but legalized.
3D-TV is the "new" thing around here... And yes, it's sh*t. It looks amazing, but it's useless sh*t.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 12:56 |
JLocke wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
rdtprog wrote:
When they will no new DVD available in stores, you'll see how much people will change their preferences to Blu Ray. It could take a lot of years, but it will be a new reality, like it or not. They're will be a new kind of Blu Ray, can't stop the technology...
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I don't know- throughout the years several superior technologies have been marketed to the public and have failed to catch on sufficiently enough to become the new standard media.
In fact, I only know one household that has upgraded to Blu-Ray.
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Add three more, then. 'Cause you know me.
Myself, my father and my uncle have all upgraded to Blu-Ray. |
In my case it was particularly easy ... 80 EUR for the new computer drive and another 90 EUR for the software. 
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 13:17 |
A few years ago I was happy with my Sony VHS and Sony Trinitron TV, I even used the same remote control for the two....It was the Paradise
Then somebody came with the lasser disk, which I never bought, and as I thought (due to the size) it failed
After soe years came the DVD which due to it's small size and cheap price, I bought and I'm happy with it, after a couple months I bought a 5.1 Home Theater and it's paradise..
After that came the plasma TV which I bought (very expensive), for my luck it had a designing problem that the warranty covered it, but when I went to the store they told me that Plasma was crap and LCD was great plus cheaper, so I put a little bit of money and they gave two LCD for almost the prize of the Plasma (34 Inches each one).
Now they say that if you don't have a LED TV and a Blue Ray you're in the Stone Age, but already the newspaper talks about a 3D Led.
I have a close friend that buys this new gadgets when they appear, he bought a DVD in US$ 600.00 (I bought mine in US$ 75.00 six months later), he bought a Plasma in S/. 14,000.00 (US$ 5,000), I bought mine in S/. 6,000.00 (US$ 2.000) he already has a Led.and talks about the wonders of the Blue Ray in his led, wonders that I can't find to be honest.
This guys also talks me of 50 incredible features that I don't understand or care about, he has reached the point where he has a PC in his living room, attached to the TV, I believe the guy is crazy.
Please guys, I'm not a millionaire, I will stay with my DVD and LCD TV until they burn, I'm tired of supporting big companies who will change a chip in a TV and sell it as the best thing since slice bread.
Thefunny thing is that I was already happy with my VHS and Trinitron TV with a remote control that worked for both. 
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 12 2010 at 13:24
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 13:54 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
If we were to follow the Ferrari analogy, then both formats would share the same market (with different marketshares of course) because, as with the Ferrari, there will be people who want/need/afford the Blu-Ray. I don't understand why people perceive this as a war between the two.
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Because there is: Blu-Ray's (and HDDVD's) ultimate goal is to replace DVDs and standard TVs in every house, just as DVD has replaced VHS. They don't even manufacture VHSs anymore, and they eventually want HDTV to be so cheap and omnipresent that buying a standard TV is like buying a black and white today. Of course, 3D TV has interrupted this scheme, but the executives I've read about have said that they realize it's not something people will want to do every day, so it's not quite the same drive to get everybody to pay to upgrade to the new technology. Also 3D TV is ludicrously expensive, while HDTVs are getting cheaper every day (if I cared about watching things on TV, I would say that $500 for a 22 inch HDTV is not unreasonable). I've made a personal commitment to never buy a 3DTV.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 15:47 |
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Posted: May 12 2010 at 23:28 |
thellama73 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
Before even looking at the poll results, I expected ignorance to win out.
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So anyone who is content with the already great picture quality of DVDs and would rather spend their money on other things besides re-purchasing a bunch of movies they already have is ignorant?
I could upgrade almost every product in my home and get better quality, but at some point you have to say "good enough!" and let it go. Not all of us are made of money.
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It's one thing to admit you cannot afford a superior product. It is quite another to downplay it and behave as if it's nothing more than a scam. I still remember when people around me were bitching about DVD players, and saying that VHS was 'good enough', and how DVD was just a fad and would die like LaserDisc. Well now those very same people consider DVD the norm and are once again dumbing down the significance of this new technology simply because they can't afford it yet.
I'm not saying you are one of those people. I'm speaking generally, here. If you recognize the superiority of hi-definition, yet admit that (at least for now) you are not willing to spend the money for it, then I have no problem with that. It's when certain people begin to trash talk the quality products that I get little annoyed. Some people will always hate Apple products unjustly, and some folks will always swear that Vinyl sounds better than CD. It's all absurd, but there it is. Saying you prefer something is very different from putting down anything else that you don't happen to utilize.
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