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Equality 7-2521 
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 Posted: November 19 2009 at 23:34 |
Most people enjoy Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata. Just because many people enjoy it doesn't make it easily digestible.
I'm beginning to dislike Henry Cow just because they're your avatar.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 19 2009 at 23:40 |
 Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Most people enjoy Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata. Just because many people enjoy it doesn't make it easily digestible.
Not necessarily. Typically though, and it depends on the target audience you're talking.
I'm beginning to dislike Henry Cow just because they're your avatar.
Why? What does that have to do with anything?
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 19 2009 at 23:43 |
Well I'll just conclude then by saying you're wrong.
And I wasn't being serious with the avatar thing obviously.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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earlyprog
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 02:54 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
[Their songs are easily digestible because if you show them to any randomly selected person of the general population---even someone with no musical knowledge whatsoever---chances are that that person will thoroughly enjoy the composition. There's no other band that quite has that same effect; it's the simplification of the music and overall initial attractiveness to most minds.
I wouldn't want it.
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Simplification is the highest accomplishment of talent/skill/"whatever". Simplification is what separates the genious from the average person. Yes, the Beatles were so good that they distilled somthing that was good into something that was (still is) great.
People often resort to the "simplification argument" saying that's it's so simple that even I could have done the same. If it's that simple why don't others do the same.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 06:29 |
earlyprog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
[Their songs are easily digestible because if you show them to any randomly selected person of the general population---even someone with no musical knowledge whatsoever---chances are that that person will thoroughly enjoy the composition. There's no other band that quite has that same effect; it's the simplification of the music and overall initial attractiveness to most minds.
I wouldn't want it.
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Simplification is the highest accomplishment of talent/skill/"whatever". Simplification is what separates the genious from the average person. Yes, the Beatles were so good that they distilled somthing that was good into something that was (still is) great.
People often resort to the "simplification argument" saying that's it's so simple that even I could have done the same. If it's that simple why don't others do the same. |
A genius is not someone who makes his or her craft as simple as possible for others to understand.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 09:19 |
No sorry we've reached our quota of Beatles threads.  Me, I don't have much interest in their stuff until Rubber Soul and later. I never go out of my way to listen to it these days because it's been ingrained in my brain, but it's still good stuff. I have noticed that sometimes you younger farts just don't get the music us older farts revere. 
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 20 2009 at 09:36
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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splyu
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 12:39 |
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JLocke
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 13:06 |
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 13:10 |
People play The Beatles music any and everywhere because they are the single-most influential band of the 60's. But that's it. I agree that today they are relatively meaningless, and yes I mean meaningless in the context that music (Pop) radio today is filled with anti-social whatever but it's not an any sense historical. (I cant frekin spell anymore) The Beatles, during their time were a pompous group of english trend-mockers, clever at first, but the drugs and evolution of the sixties raped their mind, like all drugs will do and became a curious enigma in the genre. I don't give a crap anymore, it's true, I dont care. AMERICA
trashed them, like they did all our kids in that stupid freaking war, and by 1970 we were all doomed, crew cuts and all. The BEATLES wre great because ENGLAND was great. What lesson did we really learn from The Beatles? That they didn't really give a care about America. Listen to the way Lennon spoke to the press, as if he was the victim. He knew what he was doing.
But today, yeah, people play the Beatles music and it is stupid.
Lets be thankful to the families who sacrificed their sons and daughters who remind us that their lose is greater than ours. And Be Humble To these families
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assume the power 1586/14.3
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JLocke
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 13:12 |
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^ What?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 13:15 |
^^
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 13:43 |
Anyway.  The Beatles? Talented bunch whatever your definition. But people do go on about them so.
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Help me I'm falling!
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splyu
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 13:46 |
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JLocke
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 14:32 |
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splyu
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 15:08 |
p0mt3 wrote:
splyu wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
splyu wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
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Name even one important prog rock band from the 70s that was not influenced by them!
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Jethro Tull . . .
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I doubt it.
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You calling me a liar?
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Yeah. Obviously that's exactly what I said.
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Well then you're an idiot. I clearly backed up my point with that video I linked to. If you chose not to watch it and stay in your delusion, that's your own problem.
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I don't even know what to say.
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I know you were being a smart-ass in your last comment. That was obvious. It's still my opinion that you're an idiot.
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The Doctor
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 15:15 |
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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JLocke
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 15:17 |
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Laughing at me doesn't defend your position. You claimed that nobody would be able to name even one important prog act from thr 70s that wasn't influenced by The Beatles. I named one. You said one of the most ignorant and misinformed things I think I've ever heard somebody say on this forum, and now you're trying to wiggle out of it by laughing off my rebuttal.
Edited by p0mt3 - November 20 2009 at 15:20
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splyu
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 15:27 |
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JLocke
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 15:32 |
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splyu
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 15:39 |
p0mt3 wrote:
So, you knew your claim was wrong from the beginning, yet you intentionally pretended to not believe my own claim? Okay, now I know EXACTLY where you're coming from, and I don't care much for it.
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No, I thought about that later. I don't get why you make so much ado about it.
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