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omri 
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 Posted: April 20 2009 at 10:30 |
 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
omri wrote:
I salute to your optimism ! I even have a suggestion to you. The first one of us to die will buy a beer to the other one when he gets to hell . Is it a deal ?
Hey, who told you I will go to hell? 
You should listen to Jane's "Between heaven and hell" (it is an excellent album) and you'll understand hell is a much more interesting place to be in.
Now, to the test of time. I immediately thought of frank Sinatra. I don't think in 50 years from now anybody will remember him (this is personal taste I know but for some odd reason I am quite confident in that) but nowadays he still sells tons of albums.
Frank Sinatra is mainly a PERFORMER, so it's hard to remember a performer than a composer.
And still he sells amazingly (have no clue why).
Ofcorse Tommy is much better than Thriller (I hated it from the very first day it was released) or many other "one moment hits" but we are comparing it to much better albums (based on our taste and our snobish atitude that let us believe we know better but we both share that atitude I believe).
I also compared Tommy with Machine Head and Made in Japan (Deep Purple) plus Band of Gypsys by Jimi Hendrix, both iccons as big as The Who.
True. But in a way I feel (and this is ofcorse debatable) that they are all of the same kind. Very important for their time but not realy great compared to the real masters that still amaze me in every listen (I'll just mention 2 albums I know we both agree on : Foxtrot and Leftoverture. Both still excite me after so many listens). PersonallyI believe that Hendrix could go higher but unfortunately we will never know that for sure.
And finally, I hope you charge your clients more cause what you wrote worth much more than 2 cents and if not you are probably starving.
Nah, just a speech figure, i'm quite expensive. 
Iván
I'm glad to hear that. You need the money to buy all those great albums.
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Evans
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Posted: April 20 2009 at 15:51 |
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I, also, do not understand Tommy. I have tried, but it seems so bland when you compare it to Quadrophenia or, especially, Who's Next.
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JLocke
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Posted: April 20 2009 at 16:52 |
^ Exactly my thoughts, Evans. Exactly.
Glad to see more folks share my opinion.
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boo boo
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Posted: April 20 2009 at 20:33 |
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Considering that I knew everyone was gonna rant about it being overrated as soon as I saw it's name on this forum, no.
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jammun
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Posted: April 21 2009 at 22:14 |
So chiming in a bit late here, with regard to the thread.
Tommy: not that well respected way back then.
Live at Leeds: very well respected, and then some.
Good album, though the full potential not fully realized until they played it live, at which point there's no question.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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npjnpj
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Posted: April 22 2009 at 03:51 |
Apart from one or two (max) songs, I find Tommy to be utterly boring.
I don't agree with the comparisson to 'The Wall', which is a grabber from start to finish, but I do see parallels to 'Lamb Lies Down on Broadway', which is just as filler infested as Tommy.
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el böthy
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 15:41 |
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Probably, but it´s good. What is pretty bad is the movie! Jajajaja
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 16:08 |
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^hey! I loved it!
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mr.cub
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 16:38 |
npjnpj wrote:
Apart from one or two (max) songs, I find Tommy to be utterly boring.
I don't agree with the comparisson to 'The Wall', which is a grabber from start to finish, but I do see parallels to 'Lamb Lies Down on Broadway', which is just as filler infested as Tommy. |
Personally, I see all the best material on the first Disc of The Wall, everything on Disc 2 (with the glaring exception of Comfortably Numb) isn't nearly provoking. As for Tommy, well it seems the strength comes at the beginning and the end. It opens out quite well and then around Underture it seems to lose pace and then it finishes with strong tracks like Sally Simpson and I'm Free, finishing with the albums best piece We're Not Gonna Take It. They could have easily cut the record down to around 50 minutes and gotten the same narrative with much more focused product.
As for The Wall, the crucial ending to the rock opera is a let down to say the least...nothing on the scale of We're Not Gonna Take It
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LandofLein
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Posted: June 19 2009 at 19:31 |
I wholeheartedly agree, of course I hate every single rock opera I have heard, it seems like it's less about the music and more about putting songs in for the sole purpose of advancing the story.
Songs such as: all of them except Pinball Wizard
the only rock opera that came close to not disappointing me is Joe's Garage
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ZowieZiggy
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 05:22 |
Tommy is not overrated IMO. I bought it in 71 and i still listen to it frequently (from start to finish).
As another member has said, the live version available on the double deluxe CD edition of "Live At Leeds" is just phenomenal. Less polished, much more aggressive. A superb document in rock music.
Five stars was my rating. A masterpiece.
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mystic fred
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 01:59 |
"Tommy" was a watershed in the Who's history - many old fans abandoned the band after this album, and many new fans picked up on the album as a huge leap forward. I loved the band through their whole career and think "Tommy" is a work of genius, Townshend really giving his creative powers full rein but it was a huge risk, the band were in serious debt and needed a "hit".
On its release it received mixed reviews and took ages to grow but looking back it was a huge gamble which paid off and showed the way for rock music in the future, the band played much of Tommy on tour and the album eventually sold well, i think "Quadrophenia" was an even bigger risk but many people today rate this dark work above Tommy, it took me some time to "get" but i still prefer listening to Tommy - definitely not overrated! 
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