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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2008 at 21:42
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Stern Smile There actually is a "progometer," you know.
 
Geek It's called your BRAIN, and it's strongly supported by your gut and heart.
 
 
 
 
ErmmThe only problem with it is, yours only works for YOU, mine only works for me, etc.... 
 
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Actually Peter, mine is a highly proprietary technology to analyze a band's output.
Among the things it considers:
 
The Melody, Chord Structure, and Rhythm of each song.
 
Lyrics, if any.  If lyrics lean towards standard pop (love of a man or woman or lack thereof), then the progometer subtracts points.  If the lyrics are either just flat out unintelligible, or dealing with demons, wizards, rearranging of livers, or other arcane subjects, progometer adds points.
 
Album cover art. Self-explanatory. 
 
Has the band had hit singles?  If so, were they edits of the album cut?  If they are edited, the band rates higher on the progometer, since the record company was obviously desperate to fit the band's musical output into the standard AM format of the time.
 
Competency of the musicians in the band.
 
Historical context.  Was the band doing anything progressive for the time, or were they just following along?
 
These are then weighted by proprietary algorthm.
 
So let's look at Louie Louie (Kingsmen version):
 
Melody is simple so 0 points.  Chord structure is simple (I, IV, V) but off-notes are added to the standard triad so 2 points.  Rhythm is primitive so 0 point.
 
Lyrics appear to deal with love but are unintelligible, so only 1 point.
 
Hiistorical context indicates they were just copying what everyone else did, except the lyrics were possibly dirty:  1 point.
 
Cover art:  was there any?  0 points.
 
Hit single:  yes, 0 points since it wasn't an edit of a longer album track.
 
Competency of the musicians:  they appear to be minimally competent:  1 point.
 
Progometer calculates something below 1.
 
Shall we do a Boston album???
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Points: 65602 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2008 at 21:47
could be fun now that you've laid it out   

*shudders at potential raging debate*
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Points: 32552 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2008 at 22:10
I love a good sh*tstorm.

Especially one I started.

Go to it!
https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays
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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2008 at 22:23

Damn, now I'm going to have to listen to my wife's LP of Don't Look Back and run it through the proprietary progmeter algorithms. 

I forgot to mention progometer also looks at album notes, and has evaluated the "No Synthesizers Used" statement on the inner gatefold of the album somewhat negatively.  Progometer specifically looks for use of synthesizers.
 
On the plus side, progometer rates guitar/spaceship/UFO covers rather highly, especially if planets are shown as well.


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Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Damn, now I'm going to have to listen to my wife's LP of Don't Look Back and run it through the proprietary progmeter algorithms. 

I forgot to mention progometer also looks at album notes, and has evaluated the "No Synthesizers Used" statement on the inner gatefold of the album somewhat negatively.  Progometer specifically looks for use of synthesizers.
 
On the plus side, progometer rates guitar/spaceship/UFO covers rather highly, especially if planets are shown as well.


LOL  To tell you the truth, I hated synthesizers when I was younger.  And to a degree, I still cringe at them sometime.
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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2008 at 22:56
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Damn, now I'm going to have to listen to my wife's LP of Don't Look Back and run it through the proprietary progmeter algorithms. 

I forgot to mention progometer also looks at album notes, and has evaluated the "No Synthesizers Used" statement on the inner gatefold of the album somewhat negatively.  Progometer specifically looks for use of synthesizers.
 
On the plus side, progometer rates guitar/spaceship/UFO covers rather highly, especially if planets are shown as well.


LOL  To tell you the truth, I hated synthesizers when I was younger.  And to a degree, I still cringe at them sometime.
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Not to worry, progometer does not specifically subtract points for lack of synth unless synth priority is set to high (else many bands would be in trouble).  So if keyboard competency is weighted to 10=Keith Emerson and 1=Eddie Van Halen then it will not overevalutate synthesizer presence.  However It is programmed to subtract outright dissing of synths in liner notes.
 
By the way, it's currently analyzing Don't Look Back and is rating lyrics rather on the down side:
 
"So come on, put your hands together
You know it's now or never, take a chance on rock 'n' roll "
 
On the other hand, it's rating competency of the guitarist rather highly. 
 
The developers of progmeter are evaluating whether or not this should be user configurable in the final released version.  Current beta settings are Sky Saxon=1 and Jeff Beck=10.  Of course if it's user configurable then user could set Robert Fripp=1, which could cause obvious problems.  Probable solution is to set certain predefined minimum/maximum values for every known guitarist.  This will cause serious cost overruns for Progometer development, which frankly we can't afford in the current economy. 
 
That Don't Look Back is a pretty good album, probably not prog-related.
 
 
 
 


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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2008 at 01:23
mmmmmmmmmmm....ehhhhhh...ah......... oh....... sure.......ehhhhhmmmmmm.......... i don't knowDead

Well the above is a joke, but i think that Boston is a less prog band and more Adult Oriented Rock, a good one BTW




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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2008 at 09:43
I think the point we can take from this is that it's all subjective.  Progometer could in fact be developed, but the parameters it would use to evaluate would of necessity be subjective (which Peter has already pointed out).
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